Curse

Dean Harper · Oct 04, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Mesmers aren't as 'obvious' as some other professions. I find myself noticing what the enemies are using skill-wise in order to counter them rather than just looking for the large clusters of red dots and firing my big damage spells. "Quoted from Gedrand"

Lol, which is why mesmers are liked more in pvp, they have ways to get around ppl, instead of just causing damage, thats my favorite part of being a Mesmer. Unlike you, i started with a mesmer when i got the game, so i was ridiculed ALL OF THE TIME since i wanted to tank and didnt know teh lingo and strategy to a mes. But once i got the hang of backfire, i was in love with the mesmer. I had also tried a ele, but it just didnt satisfy. I love killing things, but i love doing it in a descreet, sly kind of way, and so the mesmer was my favorite of all the profs. The only other prof that kind of does that is the necro, but still, it doesnt fully satisfy. I also have to say, i dont really like illusion magic, its too straightforward most of the time, especially degen. I really like interrupt, its sooo fun to see how ppl react when they cant cast or do anything (Psychic Distraction FTW!!!!) anyways, im done rambling, so, great choice in a prof man!!!

Redfeather1975 · Oct 05, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

I originally picked a mesmer for two reasons.
When I found my friend played Guild Wars and getting tired of WoW and EQ2 I decided to visit the Guild Wars site.
There was an article about how mesmers were the least played and most underrated class in the game. My favourite character in EQ2 was a class called an Inquisitor. An Inquisitor is a platemail wearing healer who uses mental magics. Idecided to try to play a class that wasn't hugely popular, yet also similar to what I was used to in my previous game experience.
Despite the inability to play with platemail I chose an Me/Mo to try and mimic the inquisitor's playstyle as best I could. It actually, very quickly, played just like him!

HalPlantagenet · Oct 05, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I strongly urge the OP to reconsider his decision. Mesmers have an incredibly deleterious effect on the game. Consider some evidence:

1. If it weren't for mesmers, there is a much greater chance that the perfect team (6 warrior/monks and 2 monks) would be successful in most if not all situations.
2. A mesmer/warrior with IW and a mediocre sword can put to shame the damage dealing of almost all the more expensively equipped warriors with optimal, rare equipment. Is that fair?
3. With creative and proper attention to dying they are consitently the best dressed characters in the game. Even when they're just standing around in towns and outposts the effect is one of severe, sartorial oppression.
4. The characters are elitist and therefore undemocratic. They require finesse and strategic thinking, sometimes with very little time, to be played well. They are not for everyone.

I could go on.

A little less facetiously, I'm consistently surprised at how weak the enemy mesmers are in PVE. It's almost as if Arenanet realizes just how devastating they can be and doesn't want to reveal it.

Hella Good · Oct 05, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I'm a bit tired of Me PvE. I feel I'm underusing my character by packing the PvE staples and killing brainless monsters (who manage to be nevertheless annoying by sheer numbers). I'd much rather torture brainless Wammos in RA. Least I know some poor fella on the recieving end is cursing out loud. Monks are easy like that as well... In fact, the only time I feel I have a true challenge ahead is another Me or a Necro. That right there tells you something about the profession. There is a reason why Me are priority targets in PvP. PvE... I don't know, I just like the armors... really... I made a Me just to proove you can PvE just fine with a Me, thank you very much, and to get him the (then) rarest FoW in the game- Me male. But again PvP-ing with a Me is far more entertaining.

*proud to be playing the most despised profession of all*

Dean Harper · Oct 05, 2006, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

I'm a bit tired of Me PvE. I feel I'm underusing my character by packing the PvE staples and killing brainless monsters (who manage to be nevertheless annoying by sheer numbers). I'd much rather torture brainless Wammos in RA. Least I know some poor fella on the recieving end is cursing out loud. Monks are easy like that as well... In fact, the only time I feel I have a true challenge ahead is another Me or a Necro. That right there tells you something about the profession. There is a reason why Me are priority targets in PvP. PvE... I don't know, I just like the armors... really... I made a Me just to proove you can PvE just fine with a Me, thank you very much, and to get him the (then) rarest FoW in the game- Me male. But again PvP-ing with a Me is far more entertaining.

*proud to be playing the most despised profession of all*

lol, great statements, i feel exactly the same way, memser is basically the best prof in the game, at least to me...

Dean Harper · Oct 05, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by HalPlantagenet

Mesmers have an incredibly deleterious effect on the game. I strongly disagree, they are just very good at wat they do

2. A mesmer/warrior with IW and a mediocre sword can put to shame the damage dealing of almost all the more expensively equipped warriors with optimal, rare equipment. Is that fair? Totally Fair

4. The characters are elitist and therefore undemocratic. They require finesse and strategic thinking, sometimes with very little time, to be played well. They are not for everyone. So wat if they arent for everyone? Theyr fun for ppl who can play them well, and they should be accepted just as much as any other prof that does their job well. (e.x. monk)

I could go on.

A little less facetiously, I'm consistently surprised at how weak the enemy mesmers are in PVE. It's almost as if Arenanet realizes just how devastating they can be and doesn't want to reveal it.The reason they do that is because they dont want u to not be able to beat missions, lol

Most of wat u just said is pretty un-thoughtout, lol, based on my personal experience, mesmers dominate most of the time, so i dont know wat ur complaining about....

Avarre · Oct 05, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by HalPlantagenet

I strongly urge the OP to reconsider his decision. Mesmers have an incredibly deleterious effect on the game. Consider some evidence:

1. If it weren't for mesmers, there is a much greater chance that the perfect team (6 warrior/monks and 2 monks) would be successful in most if not all situations.

Most successful in what? There are top guilds (QQ last season) that didn't run mesmers at all and performed excellently. Thinking a mesmer is necessary regardless of setup is a generalization.

As for PvE, most areas are soloable, and the ones that aren't can be threemaned.

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2. A mesmer/warrior with IW and a mediocre sword can put to shame the damage dealing of almost all the more expensively equipped warriors with optimal, rare equipment. Is that fair?

It would be fair (casters are typically better damage dealers than warriors in fantasy settings) if it wasn't for the fact that... you're wrong. Warriors are by far capable of the highest dps, and IW mesmers are a joke outside of certain niche pve situations. Not to mention the simple factor of enchant hate and the unhappy reality of a 60AL frontliner.

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3. With creative and proper attention to dying they are consitently the best dressed characters in the game. Even when they're just standing around in towns and outposts the effect is one of severe, sartorial oppression.

This is because we are awesome.

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4. The characters are elitist and therefore undemocratic. They require finesse and strategic thinking, sometimes with very little time, to be played well. They are not for everyone.

A decent player of any class has to make rapid strategic decisions, especially monks (managing energy against heavy pressure situations), and to a lesser extent the others. Macro strategy is irrelevant to class, microstrategy to an extent is more prevalent in monks and mesmers. However most players portray mesmers as a more difficult class than they are.

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A little less facetiously, I'm consistently surprised at how weak the enemy mesmers are in PVE. It's almost as if Arenanet realizes just how devastating they can be and doesn't want to reveal it.

It's difficult to program the AI to effectively utilize a mesmer... and all NPCs have essentially pathetic skillbars, so this isn't limited to mesmers.

rhuber · Oct 06, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Dean Harper

Most of wat u just said is pretty un-thoughtout, lol, based on my personal experience, mesmers dominate most of the time, so i dont know wat ur complaining about....

Umm... I think you've missed the poster's comment:"A little less facetiously..."

"facetious":meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>

a.k.a. sarcasm...

LightningHell · Oct 06, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by HalPlantagenet

I strongly urge the OP to reconsider his decision. Mesmers have an incredibly deleterious effect on the game. Consider some evidence:

1. If it weren't for mesmers, there is a much greater chance that the perfect team (6 warrior/monks and 2 monks) would be successful in most if not all situations.
2. A mesmer/warrior with IW and a mediocre sword can put to shame the damage dealing of almost all the more expensively equipped warriors with optimal, rare equipment. Is that fair?
3. With creative and proper attention to dying they are consitently the best dressed characters in the game. Even when they're just standing around in towns and outposts the effect is one of severe, sartorial oppression.
4. The characters are elitist and therefore undemocratic. They require finesse and strategic thinking, sometimes with very little time, to be played well. They are not for everyone.

I could go on.

A little less facetiously, I'm consistently surprised at how weak the enemy mesmers are in PVE. It's almost as if Arenanet realizes just how devastating they can be and doesn't want to reveal it.

I'm fully expecting this to be a joke post.

Avarre · Oct 06, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

I hope so, but then again I lost faith in the board awhile ago.

LightningHell · Oct 06, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Actually, I have a few arguments against being a Mesmer in PvE.

1) If it weren't for Mesmers, missions would be more challenging. Getting beaten up by enemy bosses who fire off spells that hit for 480~ish is good for your character's health, you know. Furthermore, why do you need a freaking MESMER when you can get that lvl 19 1337-screaming wammo in full Warrior's Armor and a non-max Fiery Dragon Sword because it looks cooler than that max, 15>50 collector Longsword.

2) A Mesmer with a sword/axe and IW that would be perfect for Warriors get beaten consistently by enemy Warriors. What's the point in playing IW if you get beaten so badly? AND, in PvE, IW absolutely owns due to the existance of a "55" monk, even though other professions probably can do it a lot better.

3) With a tiny bit of fashion sense, your Mesmer will make you ejaculate while playing. Since you don't really want to wash/change your clothes, why play a character that's so hot you'll wet yourself?

4) The players of the Mesmer class need to be so good, you actually need to know what skills to press to have effect on the game, not buttonmashing. It's not for everyone - i.e. it's for people who have two brain cells or above.

I could go on.

EDIT: If someone can't see that I'm supporting the playing of Mesmers, then that person needs to see a psychiatrist.

SnipiousMax · Oct 06, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

...In fact, the only time I feel I have a true challenge ahead is another Me or a Necro....

You've been playing RA too much. All the classes have a niche and properly supported are dangerous. It's too much of a blanket statement to say that they are all inferior to a Mezzie. I've yet to see an all Mesmer team go anywhere in PvP. In fact, it's interesting to note, that in high end PvP Mesmers are hardly neccesary or even much sought after. I dont' find challenge in RA, just frustration. TA and beyond however, I find a a much more satisfiying challenge in well thought out teams. It's much more interesting to try and disrupt what a team is united in doing, than fileting hapless Warriors in RA or shuting down a monk that knows no better than to spam Healing Breeze while his team runs to the four corners of the arena.

If you're talking about one on one, then well... That's more of a game of 'High Card' anyway. Mesmer's just have the advantage of having very few low cards in their deck, and as such are pretty much going to win in all but a few cases (granted that they knew what they were facing beforehand).

Personally, I love mesmers. I think they are wickedly devestating in skilled hands. I love the skill and concentration it requires to play them well. I love even more how well they synergize with a team. But it's wrong to fuel a superiority complex by basing arguement on weak and stupid players.

lightblade · Oct 06, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

... I've yet to see an all Mesmer team go anywhere in PvP. ....

Anyone wanna try an all IW team? In TA?

pm me if interested.

Ferrous Capuchin · Oct 06, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Long time Mesmer...

IMO, it is the only class where elite skills really shine. You can make entire builds and strategies around a particular elite, to great benefit, instead of an elite being just an added supplement to your skill bar.

I usually play as a Domination death-dealer, or as a Domination-interrupter-caster-shutter-downerer. Recently, I started doing Illusionary Weaponry as a Warrior secondary, and now that I have the tweaks worked out, am loving it! It feels exactly like the assassin that the assassin class should have been, great fun! Sneak around, deal quick death, sneak out again.

Hella Good · Oct 07, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by Avarre

It would be fair (casters are typically better damage dealers than warriors in fantasy settings) if it wasn't for the fact that... you're wrong. Warriors are by far capable of the highest dps, and IW mesmers are a joke outside of certain niche pve situations. Not to mention the simple factor of enchant hate and the unhappy reality of a 60AL frontliner.

Oh, come on now, you use Ench with IW, too? It's the one build that Ench has absolutely no place in.

Charlatan's or Savant's are standard here. You are always under the effect of an enchantment and/or a stance. IW is fine in certain niche PvP situations as well.

Speaking of which:

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

You've been playing RA too much.

That's right! Put me up on the cross and lets get the nails going! The truth of the matter is that I made an RA comment. You cant really find brainless Wammos anywhere else than RA, so it only made sense. Least when I talk about PvP, I don't mean GvG, or HA, or TA, or RA, or AB only. I mean all. Have plenty of xp in all these formats, altho I must admit I never rly liked HA.

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

Personally, I love mesmers.

Good! We're on the same page, after all.

Avarre · Oct 07, 2006, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

Oh, come on now, you use Ench with IW, too? It's the one build that Ench has absolutely no place in.

Charlatan's or Savant's are standard here. You are always under the effect of an enchantment and/or a stance. IW is fine in certain niche PvP situations as well.

You will not have enchantments up if you're using IW. IW mesmers become a prime target for the full weight of enchantment removal, and when you get spiked, it will hurt.

The only thing that has absolutely no place is IW (in actual PvP, RA doesn't even have a frontline, its just a random brawl).

Hella Good · Oct 07, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

You guys are being way too harsh on RA. It's the only place that anything goes. Just how many types of Me do you play in GvG? I barely ever play anything different than Surge ED, GoR/MoR Diversion/Shutdown, and on rare occasions something like Expeller or Shadow Shround (back when those were still popular). Are those the only viable PvP builds just because they are the most efficient in GvG? The elitistic view of RA is unfounded. Yes, it is a random brawl, and, yes, it's filled (cranked up more like it) with noobs, and, yes, it often times causes frustration (not the skill). BUT it's the one PvP format that you can do ANYTHING and be successful. Surely you shouldn't base your judgement on RA only, but surely you shouldn't base it on GvG only as well. PvP=/=GvG.

Dragannia · Oct 07, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Hey, Expellers are still popular. One of the most popular Mesmer GvG builds, I'd say.

Avarre · Oct 07, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

BUT it's the one PvP format that you can do ANYTHING and be successful.

Which is why you cannot base anything on it, there are no constants in place to make a fair examination.

Hella Good · Oct 07, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

Hey, Expellers are still popular. One of the most popular Mesmer GvG builds, I'd say.

I meant Shadow Shroud Me. Didn't phrase my statement right. "Back when those were still popular" means "back when Shadow Shroud Me were still popular."

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Which is why you cannot base anything on it, there are no constants in place to make a fair examination.

What am I basing on RA? I simply said IW works there, which it does, and it works better than a lot of things do. I didn't say IW was a fantastic all-around PvP skill, did I?