Curse

Siddious · Nov 13, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Simple question for you all, is the Mesmer a profession that is slowing dieing over time?

What makes me say this you ask? well I remember not too long ago Mesmers were often seen alot in pvp but now-a-days I look around and nobody wants a Mesmer at all!! But thats not the true reason Mesmers are becoming a profession that is dieing over time, its the amount of nerfs, a pointless primary attribute and running out of energy way to fast that is forcing the Mesmer to be a secondary profession, if even that.

First we have the pointless nerf to Inspiration not too long ago. This hasn't done much at all to Boon Monks, but has affected Mesmers greatly. Mesmers now only have two decent ways to save energy, use power drain or go secondary ele and use Gylph Of Lesser Energy... yes so now we have to go secondary ele for our energy.... hurrah!

Next we have Fast Casting. This attribute has also be nerfed. Whats that you don't think it has? well not physically no BUT I have been noticing that almost every skill update anet buff skills by reducing the casting time to 1/4secs to 1sec. This is again harming mesmers and is making Fast Casting pointless. Whats more Monks now have a way to cast there spells faster in Nightfall!

Last we have the nerfs. As far as I know Mesmers have recieved the most nerfs of any profession, mostly because it has been abused as a secondary. Whilst sometimes I agree with these nerfs some are completely uncalled for like the old Mantra Of Concentration/Resolve nerf, why didn't they move these to fast casting if they were being abused as a secondary. Same with some of the Inspiration nerf. Ether Feast is also completely awful and is easily the worst self heal in the game, and why can't anet buff it, they buffed Auro Of Restoration no? unless anet have some sort of biased view of mesmers.

My point is that Mesmers need a serious BUFF as otherwise before long they will no longer exist.

lg5000 · Nov 13, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

YES! the mesmer is slowly dying...

Now wait a few hours and see how the minority that plays mes and enjoys it rise up and very vocally proclaim that mesmers are NOT dying.

As with all nerfs, just look at the other skills you have and come up with a new way.. so they nerfed energy management... they included a few more signets which don't need energy as well..

Skuld · Nov 13, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

*looks on random 5 observer matches*

Yup mesmers are clearly dead, those 2 on every team must be eles in disguise

Energy: Power drain and glyph like you said, and energising finale and aria of zeal from a paragon.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Nov 13, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

LOL mesmers have been nerfed the most HAHAHAHAHA, yah right bud, take a look at fire eles then come back and talk to me, of course I am biased against mesmers but I still see them raping targets easily with degen and slowdown, and if they are getting nerfed as you say, THANKYOU ANET. I believe they are most unbalanced class in the game, just play them right, and GG everyone else.

Dutch Masterr · Nov 13, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

--YES I 100% AGREE WITH YOU--
mesmer is my absolute favorite class for many reasons. the biggest reason is its the most versatile class and can destroy and other class. the big problem i have, like you said, is energy management. i dont want an elite skill to manage my energy, i have much more important skills such as migrane to be using. im stuck with energy trap as my primary way of energy gain. and please, dont complain about fire eles....have you heard of searing flames/glowing glaze?---way overpowered. my mesmer is a pve born, so ive gone through all the struggle atempting to find a group. in pvp though many people want them. i like how silly tanks and sins come up to me and think im an easy target and then BAM--echoed ineptitude, clumsiness signet of clumsiness and theyre down....no other class compares...

oh yeah about those nerfs....now domination mesmers are completley defenseless, although i do see why distoriton was nerfed because of other classes..but still as everyone says "counters der der der bring a counter"

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Nov 13, 2006, 11:35 PM // 23:35

ok the searing flames/gaze thing is cool, but watch the nerf hammer smash it man, just watch, I think Anet has it out for fire eles... And yes my sin HATES ineptitude >.< I can only kill a mes every now and then >.< BTW I just got told that I'm going for sushi tonight for my B-Day dinner WOOOT XD

Siddious · Nov 13, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

LOL mesmers have been nerfed the most HAHAHAHAHA, yah right bud, take a look at fire eles then come back and talk to me, of course I am biased against mesmers but I still see them raping targets easily with degen and slowdown, and if they are getting nerfed as you say, THANKYOU ANET. I believe they are most unbalanced class in the game, just play them right, and GG everyone else.

Fire eles got nerfed the most? ermmm... If I remember correctly eles got a huge buff all round.

DFrost · Nov 13, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Well, heroes made PvE mesmers less wanted in PUGs since the hero AI can interrupt faster and better than any human player.

Ritualistic Spankin · Nov 13, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Unfortunately I also agree that the life has been sucked outta the Mesmers. When I first bought Prophecies 16 months ago, everyone was telling me to be a Warrior or a Monk, they all said "don't be a Mesmer, they are too hard to make useful" I chose a mesmer as my first character.

I firmly believe that the Mesmer is the one and only class that forces you to learn about all the other classes just to play it. Needing to know what can and cannot be interrupted, and having to think ahead in a battle to time your spells. There is a counter to every character you face. I loved it, and still do. Choosing a mesmer as my first character gave me a better understanding of all of GW, and definately made me a better player because of it.

It saddens me to play my mesmer only to have to fight and plead my case, and my knowledge of the class JUST to be able to get into a group, be it in PvE or PvP. I was doing a lot of PvP in the RA this weekend and I heard so many times "dammit, we got a [email protected] mes on our team." I don't know if it is people's lack of understanding of the time and commitment it takes to be a good mesmer, or if they just think they are completely useless.

I could type pages of my strong opinions on mesmer's as a class, but I think I have already typed too much, and will start causing boredom.

lightblade · Nov 13, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

>.>
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Just why aren't we seeing mesmer use [skill]Power Block[/skill] to counter searing flame then use Spiritual Pain for a spike kill?

lightblade · Nov 13, 2006, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by DFrost

Well, heroes made PvE mesmers less wanted in PUGs since the hero AI can interrupt faster and better than any human player.

Then again...heroes are stupid and they try to interrupt everything. So is it better to interrupt the cleric that's using [skill]Spell Breaker[/skill], or the Sorcerer casting [skill]Invoke Lightning[/skill]

Cunning · Nov 14, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Mesmers aren't dying.

Kais Unduli · Nov 14, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I still see tons of mesmers around, are you sure we're playing the same game?

Terra Xin · Nov 14, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

oh boy another anti-mesmer thread^^:

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Originally Posted by The OP

Simple question for you all, is the Mesmer a profession that is slowing dieing over time?

The numbers of people who choose classes have decreased across all professions, and have been spread across the newly introduced Dervish and Paragon. If you got two new slots for nightfall, the chances that one would make a Mesmer instead would be based on 'need' rather than how cool the class is. Mesmers have always been the least chosen class since the first chapter, but that doesn't mean they're dying out. This isn't a simple answer, but that question can't be answered in a simple way. If you say yes or no, then you're doing so with little understanding of surrounding events.

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well I remember not too long ago Mesmers were often seen alot in pvp but now-a-days I look around and nobody wants a Mesmer at all!!

Exclude all instances of balanced GvG matches, SP spikers in HA, general RA and TA and you'll have yourself a cookie. If that was too suttle, you're wrong, absolutely wrong.

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But thats not the true reason Mesmers are becoming a profession that is dieing over time, (you got that right) its the amount of nerfs, a pointless primary attribute and running out of energy way to fast that is forcing the Mesmer to be a secondary profession, if even that.

Elementalists, as stated by many others - as well as the obvious facts, are the most nerfed class in the game. If you don't believe me, read back on all of the skill updates on the main website, you'll notice that most of them relate to elementalists.

Anyone who uses an entire Mesmer attribute line as a secondary profession gets owned by another Mesmer who will have the same build, and will kill them off in the blink of an eye. Also remeber that the Mesmer profession is the second most popular secondary profession - the first being the Monk. Despite the amount of nerfs you think Mesmer's have, it does not detter them and their ability to utilise a few skills for the disposal of other classes. Mesmers still have the best energy management in the game.

Overall, you clearly have little skill when it comes to playing a Mesmer. If you read testimonies, you can't play a Mesmer in the same way you would play an ele, and it takes more than a warrior's brawn to win battles. Take the time to study the Mesmer, hopefully you might see something you'll like.

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First we have the pointless nerf to Inspiration not too long ago. This hasn't done much at all to Boon Monks, but has affected Mesmers greatly. Mesmers now only have two decent ways to save energy, use power drain or go secondary ele and use Gylph Of Lesser Energy... yes so now we have to go secondary ele for our energy.... hurrah!

no nerf is pointless. And what's the deal with 'having' to go to a secondary profession for energy management? Does a monk complain that he 'has' to use a Mesmer for energy support?? I do not see how a Monk benefits more from Inspiration Magic than a Mesmer does - naturally, a new player would come and say "they're both the same". You know what? That new player is right.

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Next we have Fast Casting. This attribute has also be nerfed. Whats that you don't think it has? well not physically no BUT I have been noticing that almost every skill update anet buff skills by reducing the casting time to 1/4secs to 1sec. This is again harming mesmers and is making Fast Casting pointless. Whats more Monks now have a way to cast there spells faster in Nightfall

Its a bad idea to compare fast casting abilities of one class to another. Yes, most of the monk skills have fast casting times, but they're also non-offensive. If you want to do damage, then the spells casted will take longer. Take a look at the necromancer for example, they have many life stealing skills, but alot of their skills are in the 2 second cast range, a good penalty for that class. What does a Mesmer bring? The ability to cast faster.

Albeit, FC is the lest effective primary attribute in all 9 professions - strength being the worst primary attribute. I would like to see FC inherit the ability to reduce aftercast, but that depends on how badly people want that particular skill, because at this point Anet has no plans on changing its circumstances.

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Last we have the nerfs. As far as I know Mesmers have recieved the most nerfs of any profession, mostly because it has been abused as a secondary. Whilst sometimes I agree with these nerfs some are completely uncalled for like the old Mantra Of Concentration/Resolve nerf, why didn't they move these to fast casting if they were being abused as a secondary. Same with some of the Inspiration nerf. Ether Feast is also completely awful and is easily the worst self heal in the game, and why can't anet buff it, they buffed Auro Of Restoration no? unless anet have some sort of biased view of mesmers.

Once again. Elementalists are the most nerfed class in the game. Once again. Read the updates for confirmation.

Concentration got nerfed? I must have missed that update. As for Resolve... I don't remember that getting nerfed either... I must have really missed something.

As for Aura of Restoration, there's no such thing as a buff if it was still in its beta stages. Ether Feast isnt the worst healing skill in the game, Shadow Refuge is... and I will say with confidence - Healing Sig is crap as well. It's a lovely skill because I never use it, but when a warrior uses it.... FC spikes come in handy^^!

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My point is that Mesmers need a serious BUFF as otherwise before long they will no longer exist.

Whatever, I'll still be here. We do have the best attire after all.

(Rather than respond to everyone el... *yawn*... sorry, I just can't be bothered explaining my dear Mesmers any more than needed)

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Originally Posted by Godly Person

I still see tons of mesmers around, are you sure we're playing the same game?

I just remembered logging into the main Vabbian city and met up with 5 Mesmers who were comparing clothing. It was really nice.

Terra Xin · Nov 14, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I dont care if I'm making a double post, and not to bother what people think, but this thread does not belong in the Mesmer's forum. Just because it has the word Mesmer in it does not warrant it te sole right of it being in a forum where the specific purpose is to,

Moderators please read:

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Originally Posted by GuildWarsGuru, The Campfire

Share your strategies, experience and tips here for builds and groups for PvE.

This topic has more relevance in the Riverside, especially when the effect is to get people who arent Mesmers to read the thread.

And before anyone makes an accusation, I am not pro-Mesmer!! or a Mesmerist!! Its just a pet peeve when it comes to forum moderation...

Redfeather1975 · Nov 14, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

If everyone who thought that mesmers are dying stopped playing mesmers and/or petitioned to get Anet to buff them up I'd pleased as punch.
I don't think mesmers are hurting and some buffage would make me feint. I also don't care for playing a popular profession.

Samuel Anders · Nov 14, 2006, 01:42 AM // 01:42

I was gonna type out this really long reply, but Terra already did that, so I'll just say "What he said."

To the original poster, Fast Casting is far from useless. Ever dropped a Backfire on a monk just before one of his healing spells go off? My Backfire does 119 damage. The ability to pile debuffs onto people in a short amount of time can really give enemy monks a headache in PvP.

I do agree with your energy concerns, though, and part of the reason stems from Fast Casting. Quickly spamming a ton of spells can be effective in situations, but you'll likely have to sit for a minute and wait for your energy to get back up. If you're having major energy problems, you probably need to look at your playstyle or build to see how it can be changed to be made more energy efficient. I had major energy problems early in Prophecies when I was just starting, but now, I can manage my energy well enough to be effective for the entire duration of most fights.

As for mesmers not being desired, go replay the Prophecies missions against the Mursaat and see how much difference a Domination Mesmer makes. I've been invited to a lot of groups in Prophecies simply because I can utterly destroy Mursaat on my own while my group handles the Jades.

The mesmer class is never going to die, because I'm always going to be here.

Redfeather1975 · Nov 14, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

I also notice that the father you get in the game the more you are invited into groups. I think it's partly because of the armour ignoring damage mesmer spells use. Some places have enemies casting buffs occassionaly on themselves which increase their armour very high, but it don't make a difference to me. Buff your armour to 1000AL. I don't care mr. monster man.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Nov 14, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

We arent dying out. The ranks are thinning across the field.

People who may have started out the game a while back wanting the Mesmer class to be one thing, have slowly started to find that thing along the newer lines.

The simularities between the ways that a Mesmer feels and the way Rits and Dervs play are interesting. Its not hard to see. These three classes tend to get a reaction through subversive means. In a Mesmer's case, Spells and Hexes cause adverse reactions. In a Dervish's case, an Enchantment's end, can cause a completely different reaction from what the Enchantment did. Ritualists cause more problems by creatings spirits and equipping weapon spells, then by any of the pure spells in their line.

Mesmers aren't dying. They're just spreading out to where they really wanted to be in the first place. But its always a good idea to start as a Mesmer, you learn alot more about the game by being a class that almost has to know what everyone does just to survive.

LightningHell · Nov 14, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Siddious

My point is that Mesmers need a serious BUFF

I read the whole thing and was going to type out this fifty-page monster disagreeing, then I read this line.

Sure, buff Mesmers to heaven. I don't mind, I have a Mesmer.

Additionally, give Elementalists a ridiculous buff as well so I can pwn everyone.

EDIT: Does anyone have an objection to moving this to Riverside?