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Trueslash Noobfoot · Nov 24, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Is Mesmer worth it?

Tyla · Nov 24, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

yes,but it actually reqs skill other than most profs:P

Trueslash Noobfoot · Nov 24, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Thats only for interrupting... I'm thinking of making an Energy-draining mesmer for shutdown.

Tyla · Nov 24, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

you cant shutdown mobs with e-denial in pve,theyre regen is apparently really high and mesmer requires alot of skill reguardless of interrupting anyway,like who and when your placing diversion(since this skill owns) where you place signet of "Hey I cant use my elite as much :O"(forgot its name lawl)

Trueslash Noobfoot · Nov 24, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Signet of Midnight or Keystone Signet or whatever?

Toutatis · Nov 24, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

It is possible to shut down mobs with e-denial in PvE, except it's extremely difficult to do and requires you to devote practically your entire bar to e-denial skills (a lot of wasted slots).

And I think the signet of "Hey I cant use my elite as much :O" is Signet of Humility (disables your target's elite for a short period)

Trueslash Noobfoot · Nov 24, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

ok forgot that one :S

glountz · Nov 24, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

It is possible to shut down mobs with e-denial in PvE, except it's extremely difficult to do and requires you to devote practically your entire bar to e-denial skills (a lot of wasted slots).

And I think the signet of "Hey I cant use my elite as much :O" is Signet of Humility (disables your target's elite for a short period)

You can actually e-deny a regular mob in Normal mode. Bosses have infinite regen, though (tried to e-deny without success Coventina the Matron with party full of e-denial skills). Hard Mode mobs, bosses or regulars, have insane regen.
Thus one of the most powerful tool the mesmers have at their disposal suck in PVE.
Interrupts are outclassed by BHA rangers coz mobs are too dumb to strafe to avoid it and to remove daze.
Their chaos damage is single-mob oriented.
Mass Degen is inferior against mass Nuking / Spitefuling / Barraging /Cyclone Axing /Minioning.

But mesmers are worth it cause they are fun, and, more, they have style.

Coloneh · Nov 25, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

mesmers are not worth it, because necros do 'it' better.

what is 'it'? 'it' is everything.

Bai · Nov 25, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

mesmers are not worth it, because necros do 'it' better.

what is 'it'? 'it' is everything.

Please stop trying to stir something up by saying that Necros do everything better than Mesmers. I just hate people that have this kind of attitude..

Stormlord Alex · Nov 25, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Trueslash Noobfoot

Is Mesmer worth it?

To be perfectly honest?

For fun: Yeah, go for it.

If you wanna own stuff as fast and efficiently as possible though... Not really, no.
There's nothing really 'worth it'.

EDIT: ... of course, you could always go Ursan...

Deceptive · Nov 25, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Mesmers are the specialist profession of guildwars. You either love them or hate them. I personally love to play mesmer. I had the necro argument with some guildies and that got settled over a nice friendly scrimmage

the_jos · Nov 25, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Worth it?
Depends on what you think of 'worth it'.
Considering this is about PvE, I have to say that a mesmer is almost always outclassed by other professions.

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Mesmers are the specialist profession of guildwars

Well, I compared them to the tools of a watch maker in an other thread.
You don't use those to fix a computer, washing machine or put a screw in the wall.

The problem is that AI does not function the same way a human player does.
And AI cheats.
For example, you can use E-denial on a monk in Hard Mode (done that, E-surge gave 0 dmg) only to see it cast Heal Area a few seconds later.
That's only possible with huge regen or weapon swapping which I doubt AI can do.

A lot of the power from the mesmer lies in the ability to mess with human players (PvP).
Take for example a skill like Migraine.
AI could not care less if spell casting takes 100% longer.
Put the same spell on a human and he knows he's in trouble if he can't get it off. He's open to interrupts or his allies are vulnerable to spikes if it's a monk.
That puts pressure on him, causing possible mistakes.

Clarissa F · Nov 25, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Mesmers came in when the game started, and pve was considered a place to hone your skills for pve. They are great in Prophecies and Factions, and still wreak havoc in pvp. As has been stated forever, with Nightfall, Anet gave the silver schwantz to the mesmer, creating bosses with infinite E-regen and milisecond casts, along with mobs of lvl 22-24. EotN did a lot for the mesmer.....if you're a BOSS.

As was said by Coloneh(though you may hate it), the necro can just do mesmer things(interrupts, degen, aoe conditions) better than the mesmer. Hell, how long has the SS nuker been around? Yet I still waltz through missions, even through NF, with no problems.

If you like PvP, and you aren't crazy about NF(kinda blech), mesmers are a lot of fun, and frustration to your enemies. Nightfall, if you play with guildies, can be great. With H/H or(cringe) PUGs, it won't be pleasant.

-Don't blame the player. Blame the game.-

Omniclasm · Nov 25, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Bai

Please stop trying to stir something up by saying that Necros do everything better than Mesmers. I just hate people that have this kind of attitude..

What do Mesmers do better than Necromancers in PvE? Interrupt? A necromancer can easily just take a mesmer interrupt or two. Damage? Um...no. Damage Prevention? No not really.

Mesmers are great at breaking through a defense. The only defense a monster has is 2,000 health.

Trueslash Noobfoot · Nov 25, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Dude, put that on a seperate thread or I'll report.

samcobra · Nov 25, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Don't make a mesmer if you're bad at the game. Run something that requires no skill, like an ele.

Bai · Nov 26, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Omniclasm

What do Mesmers do better than Necromancers in PvE? Interrupt? A necromancer can easily just take a mesmer interrupt or two. Damage? Um...no. Damage Prevention? No not really.

Mesmers are great at breaking through a defense. The only defense a monster has is 2,000 health.

Mesmers have more style. And if Necros can take one or two interrupts, why can't I take one or two hexes from the Curses line?

LightningHell · Nov 26, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Bai

Mesmers have more style. And if Necros can take one or two interrupts, why can't I take one or two hexes from the Curses line?

Necros get Soul Reaping, which is insane in PvE.

Omniclasm · Nov 26, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Bai

Mesmers have more style. And if Necros can take one or two interrupts, why can't I take one or two hexes from the Curses line?

And interrupts interrupt with zero investment. Curses with zero attribute investment don't work well.

And as above....Soul Reaping > Fast Casting, in PvE anyway.