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Velo · Dec 13, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

lol with 10 inspiration ether signet is better than energy drain , gives u more MANA (yeah indeed how funny) per second and it is not an elite.

Edit: this way assassin's promise will work greatly imho instant recharging ur ether signet

Terraban · Dec 13, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Velo

lol with 10 inspiration ether signet is better than energy drain , gives u more MANA (yeah indeed how funny) per second and it is not an elite.

Fail again, unless you are playing WoW or Final Fantasy.

Velo · Dec 13, 2007, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Fail again, unless you are playing WoW or Final Fantasy.

nobody cares, and i wrote it for you the second time, i'm sure you didn't understand this, everyone has his own limits

Terraban · Dec 13, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Velo

nobody cares, and i wrote it for you the second time, i'm sure you didn't understand this, everyone has his own limits

You care enough to reply. Is your limit the incapability of learning new terms in a different game?

Velo · Dec 13, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

I care the fact that u are just trying to piss me off, not what you said

Terraban · Dec 13, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Velo

I care the fact that u are just trying to piss me off, not what you said

Your post is a tedious, homogenised, chameleon-esque scribble which amounts to nothing more than the demented cacophonous racket of a drugged lunatic banging loudly on kitchen pots and pans. Try learning elementary grammar before attempting to inflict your next literary abomination on this message board.

You amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted gibberish! Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast expanse. You've got a big hole in your head, now shut it. When you are at a loss for words, your loss is our gain. I am reminded of something relevant that Benjamin Disraeli said: "He was distinguished for ignorance - for he had only one idea and that was wrong."

Reading your post is less interesting than watching paint dry. If wit was spit, your mouth would be drier than a shallow well in an African heat wave. You are like watching Amputee Field Hockey: pathetic, and very quickly disgusting. Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't eat all those paint chips and lead pencils when you were a kid; if your weren't so fat that you look like The Michelin Man man on steroids, or if you didn't have a face that people rub tree branches on to make ugly sticks. No, come to think of it, you would.

Anyway, I'm not really good with fools, but a friend who is good with fools wrote something down for me. Oh, yeah, "Shut your cake-hole, stupid!"

Velo · Dec 13, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Still u were reading it very carefully, oh and yeah pitful attempt

Terraban · Dec 13, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Velo

Still u were reading it very carefully, oh and yeah pitful attempt

You're a good example of why some animals eat their young.
- Jim Samuels

Chicken Ftw · Dec 13, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I'd point out that you two are shitting all over the thread, but considering it's bhavv's, carry on with my blessing.

Moonlit Azure · Dec 13, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Its nod a bad build but [skill]echo[/skill] and [skill]arcane echo[/skill] could really spread the love around.

As for energy management put this[skill]auspicious incantation[/skill] on a low recharge skill with a high energy cost.

Also:

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Originally Posted by Velo

MANA

*taps 3 swamps*

I play nettling curse!

Methinks the attacking should stop. D:

Velo · Dec 13, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

yeah sry guys my apologies. i won't reply anymore to the pathetic Ctrl-C Ctrl-V flamer

Terraban · Dec 13, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

I like rubber duckies.

Skycluster · Dec 13, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

What the hell :O.

Anyways I think energy drain is a pretty good skill. But the problem is there really isn't much elite options with the mesmer, lets see:
-E-surge
-Hex eater
-Ineptitude
-Expel hexes? (I never use this)
-Migraine ( I know I know not really pve worthy -_-)
-Psychic distraction...(maybe)

These are really the only elites that I would probably use. Most of other mesmer elites really seem to have to work in conjunction with other classes to be useful and we still won't use em :3. Its hard being a mesmer, although its a unique class I think mesmer's builds will usually be the same in pve, empathy, backfire, just different alterations.

But overall your bars seem good, I would use em ^_^. Has anyone tried waste not want not? I love it.

bhavv · Dec 14, 2007, 12:38 AM // 00:38

The funny thing is that, although it is a couple of years old, if you read ensigns sticky energy Drain is mentioned throughout the first page. So why dont you go there and complian about it too?

And why bother beating energy drain down by comparing it to mending? Mending is trash, energy drain is not, it actually serves a purpose, it gives you energy.

Actually leaving energy drain out of the bar altogether and using gole instead would be better, but then you would cry that theres no elite, even though it is more efficient then it would be with any other elite instead.

And you contradict yourself greatly saying energy denial is bad in PVE but you would use power leech. Why use power leech if energy denial is so bad? Oh and power drain returns much more energy then power leech does so why bother wasting your elite slot on it XD.

Im not saying power leech is bad, im pointing out how flawed your opinion is.

Terraban · Dec 14, 2007, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by bhavv

The funny thing is that, although it is a couple of years old, if you read ensigns sticky energy Drain is mentioned throughout the first page. So why dont you go there and complian about it too?

And why bother beating energy drain down by comparing it to mending? Mending is trash, energy drain is not, it actually serves a purpose, it gives you energy.

Actually leaving energy drain out of the bar altogether and using gole instead would be better, but then you would cry that theres no elite, even though it is more efficient then it would be with any other elite instead.

And you contradict yourself greatly saying energy denial is bad in PVE but you would use power leech. Why use power leech if energy denial is so bad? Oh and power drain returns much more energy then power leech does so why bother wasting your elite slot on it XD.

Im not saying power leech is bad, im pointing out how flawed your opinion is.

On the Warrior sticky, he also saids Mending is a good choice. So those threads are gospel?

Liquid Wood · Dec 14, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Holy Necro Posting!

Energy Drain is not a horrible elite! I however dont tend to use it much, I prefer Power Drain or Leech Signet or Drain enchantment for energy management and then use the elite spot for other things...

bhavv · Dec 14, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Yes but mesmer elites on the whole are terribad. Energy
drain compared to a lot of non elite management skills has one bonus, it has no condition. Sure ether signet returns more energy, but you need to drain your energy first. Energy drain will just top you up every 25 seconds.

I didnt say the sticky thread was holy, I said go complain about energy drain there as well since you love doing it here so much. Or why not create yourself an energy drain sux thread and laugh about it all you want there?

draxynnic · Dec 14, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

They're both decent builds. I haven't used either directly, but I've used elements of each, and found them to be fun and effective... enough.

However, there's nothing in either of them to really encourage someone to take you when they can take a MM, an SS necro, a SF ele, a Barrage ranger, a BH ranger, a DS warrior, an EDA dervish... you get the picture.

Elite-wise, I find Echo is a lot of fun. It means that when you're facing a variety of mobs, you can take a couple of skills for each mob you might have to face (for instance, I've used Clumsiness and Wandering Eye for physical attackers and Guilt and Mistrust for spellcasters) and Echo up whichever skill is likely to prove most useful in the situation you face. Compared to Arcane Echo, it's giving you an extra 10 energy and an extra 10 seconds of use every 40 seconds... while swapping Energy Tap for Energy Drain (assuming you can't find anything better - Ether Signet or GoLE, for instance) only gives an extra 8 every 50 seconds, although failing a use of Energy Tap due to the longer cast time can be frustrating.

LightningHell · Dec 14, 2007, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Moonlit Azure

I play nettling curse!

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Yeah, but E-Drain will not be primarily used as e-managemnet in PvP. (Well it won't even be used in it's current state, but ...)
So to say that it's better in PvE, because it's shit in PvP and is thus deserving a slot on "The one mesmer build to rule them all!" - is just WAY to much out there!

In PvP, it is primarily used as energy management.

Way back in Prophecies, Energy Drain and Tap stole the same amount of energy that was given to the caster, and builds had 3+ monks that all had Energy Drain trying to Drain the opposing monks. Back then, it would've been a candidate for e-denial - not now.

upier · Dec 14, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

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Originally Posted by bhavv

And you contradict yourself greatly saying energy denial is bad in PVE but you would use power leech. Why use power leech if energy denial is so bad? Oh and power drain returns much more energy then power leech does so why bother wasting your elite slot on it XD.

Im not saying power leech is bad, im pointing out how flawed your opinion is.

I actually wrote this part as an explanation why I'd use PL:

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Originally Posted by upier

Although personally I'd use Power Leech. Just because I:
1. LOVE Inspiration
2. LOVE Power Leech
But don't get me wrong - Power Leech is like E-drain. It works, but it's not good! I just REALLY like!

Like I said - I love it!
It's absolutely fun!
But "fun" doesn't equal "great".
Which is also the problem of YOUR build!

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Yes but mesmer elites on the whole are terribad. Energy
drain compared to a lot of non elite management skills has one bonus, it has no condition. Sure ether signet returns more energy, but you need to drain your energy first. Energy drain will just top you up every 25 seconds.

I didnt say the sticky thread was holy, I said go complain about energy drain there as well since you love doing it here so much. Or why not create yourself an energy drain sux thread and laugh about it all you want there?

If we are talking about people - there is always the options of switching out weapons.

Ohh and I actually did make a thread about it:
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...ght=shattering
Well not just E-Drain, but the same problems apply!)

(Part of the series

. Here is part one:
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...ght=shattering)

And sorry about no capital letters in those posts.
It was a ... phase!

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Originally Posted by Velo

lol with 10 inspiration ether signet is better than energy drain , gives u more MANA (yeah indeed how funny) per second and it is not an elite.

Edit: this way assassin's promise will work greatly imho instant recharging ur ether signet

Aye - AP with Ether Signet + Power Drain should be VERY sweet for the constant Clumsiness spam!

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

In PvP, it is primarily used as energy management.

Way back in Prophecies, Energy Drain and Tap stole the same amount of energy that was given to the caster, and builds had 3+ monks that all had Energy Drain trying to Drain the opposing monks. Back then, it would've been a candidate for e-denial - not now.

Do people really still use it?
Why?

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Originally Posted by bhavv

The funny thing is that, although it is a couple of years old, if you read ensigns sticky energy Drain is mentioned throughout the first page. So why dont you go there and complian about it too?

Because you are trying to sell it as a good skill NOW.
Actually a great one!