Curse

viens87 · Dec 27, 2007, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

[skill]arcane echo[/skill][skill]ineptitude[/skill][skill]epidemic[/skill]

Win PvE.

nice .. i need to try it

other things for all!!

If someone say mesmer sux .. the i can say, all chars sux.

i use mesmer all the time, last 2 weeks i hear only , u r very good mesmer .. can u do with me HM, can u join us in The Deep, UW , FoW ..
i love play with my mesmer , i got 10 titles and on my way for 25 .. who can say my mesmer bad ?

i play with domination only , sometimes with illusion , sometimes with insperation ..

i use only basic skills .. easy use , and i love my build because its easy and it can shut down the casters and shoot down the melee ..
no lack of energy .. just play for fun :]

build: Me/E
1. kurzik/luxon mesmer skill
2. empathy
3.cry of pain
4.echo (elite)
5.glypt of energy
6.backfire
7.Drain Enchantment
8.Ether Signet

thats all folks .. if u dont trust me, just try it

somotimes ppl ask , what u dublicate with echo ..
i can dublicate what ever i want

primary of dublicate is cry of pain , because i could do 200dmg in 3 sec for all mobs, exept monk..
its hard for monks

hard because on them have the backfire

if i need shutdown 3 casters .. i can make 2 backfires ..
higher ur lvl in aliance factions more dmg u can do with luxon/kurzik skill,
its wery good skill ..
i change build when i need it .. if i need to go in dungeons, i many times take pain inventer. with this easy build u can do all of elona, all of cantha all of tyria with no problems

maby u ask why i dont have rez signet ? because i dont die ..

second .. if u r a mesmer, u r not a tank, and dont need to run on mobs .. just atack when all gets started fight ..

u can be the tank with IW, i go to farm with IW .. its nice 2..

and remember guys no mesmer no many things for farming, for running , for the deep ele , ss and many other chars ..

i can run from LA to Tomb of the Primeval Kings, or other places in tyria .. with no probs , just full with adrenalin in ur heart

i play with many chars and say, the funest char and no borest char for me its a mesmer.
yea sometimes ppl say .. mesmer sux , they cant do the dmg , they cant tank , they cant farm .. no they can do every things like other chars ..

they can be a nuker too,they can be a spiker , like ele can be a monk

like N/Rt r crazy healer for HM.

i can run the chest running faster than ur rangers wariors and eles ..
u dont trust me
Wisp me in game and we can do the run in zaishen chest isle

ING Baltaas Slaapes

Lord Nibiru · Dec 28, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

Power Spike/CoP
Power Drain
Hex Eater Vortex
Blackout
Empathy
Backfie
GoLE
Whatever

Some of these skills are what a lot if not most pve mes builds will carry. Your interrupt, Empathy, and Backfire there all just the basic skills taken. Also Lord no need to max FC you can go to 7 or 9 put rest into Inspiration for some more energy management.

A skill I did not like until I tried in Duncan with Blackout I just did not like my skills being disabled but it absolutely eats the touchers up and monks.

pink

No need for energy management,you can play this build with only 30 energy with NO energy problems. Using a BLACKOUT,yes, then you need energy management.
And just to say,I wouldn't take Hex Eater Vortex,not for basic build for PvE.Only,and only for place where are many hexes,so I can make it useful.
For example,how you think kill with it when you want?
You need HEX,and many times hex isn't on ally who can help you do AoE damage with it.
I prefer my elite,even Energy Surge,Fevered Dreams,Ineptitude and Recurring Insecurity are better elites for PvE then Hex Eater Vortex.

mystical nessAL · Dec 28, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Stupid theard, you could use N/RT healers which are pretty much better than normal monks / heroes, so monks are useless now? No.

viens87 · Dec 28, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by mystical nessAL

Stupid theard, you could use N/RT healers which are pretty much better than normal monks / heroes, so monks are useless now? No.

never say the monks r bad

2 man runing in HM and 4 necros ..
2 mm , 1 ss , 1 N/Rt

Dean Harper · Dec 29, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Terraban

The best all round Mesmer build I can think of for PvE is....

[skill]Fevered Dreams[/skill][skill]Fragility[/skill][skill]Accumulated Pain[/skill][skill]Power Return[/skill] Then other random skills.

Condition heavy team is brutal....Air ele with blind, cracked armor, weakness. BHA ranger with Apply poison. Some sort of burning from Para or another ele.

Nothing has the ability to amplify conditions like this does, unless you put the same skills on another profession.

the problem with this is that conditions can be outmatched by direct damage. Your best shot at getting anywhere close to dealing as much damage as a Ele (though not as frequently) is this:

[skill]Energy Surge[/skill]/[skill]Mantra of Recovery[/skill][skill]Empathy[/skill][skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Power Spike[/skill][skill]Power Drain[/skill][skill]Cry of Pain[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] or another energy gain skill.

The problem with this is, unless you are going to encounter casters, it usually doesnt work as your only e-management is Power Drain. You really need to be able to change your build every time you get to a new or different area.

Kattar · Dec 29, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

Agreed with Dean.

I generally use the above build in PvE, as energy regen isn't usually a problem since most of the troublesome foes are already dead. Use it in AB sometimes. It's great when a sin charges you and you end up killing him with [skill]Empathy[/skill]

Shanaeri Rynale · Dec 29, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Dean,
unless I misread your post(possible given me just getting up) you have two elites in that bar.

Your build should reflect the team build you are using, e.g if they are consumable happy or running standard of honor and you're ok with it, there is no need to for MoR. If I am using PvE skiils, my primary bar usually contains CoP(people use it as a 'nuke' but it's also great interupt) and Battle standard of courage(gotta love party wise armor buffs). Since PvE got a huge damage boost condition builds have fallen from favor for me since one expends all that energy and the conditions tend not to last long enough to really make a difference.

So my builds have shifted focus a little from condition spreading(although great fun to play) more towards damage prevention by shutdown, buffs with the ability to greatly assist the kill stuff thrown in. I also tend to create builds on the fly, based on the team build so there's not really a generic one I can give, so hopefulyl these pointers help some.

Nyktos · Dec 31, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Dean,
unless I misread your post(possible given me just getting up) you have two elites in that bar.

He means one or the other.

horseradish · Dec 31, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Yes, Dean put a slash in between Energy Surge and Mantra of Recovery.

The build Viens87 posted has two elites however.

Cowboy Nastyman · Dec 31, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

personally I have always liked to play mesmer like a toolbox, versatile and able to do many things as the situation calls for.

my current pve bar is similar to many pve mesmers with my own few twists

1) Signet of Illusions (absolutely the most fun elite around)
2) "You Move Like a Dwarf!" (Versatile Pve skill cripple KD and interrupting as needed)
3) Ash Blast (the longest lasting blind skill in the game 16 seconds at max spec)
4) Slippery Ground (after YMLAD and Ash Blast for an additional KD to Knocklock targets)
5) Epidemic (combined with YMLAD and Ash Blast for nice melee defense)
6) Arcane Echo ( mostly for skill 7)
7) Ebon Vanguard Assassin ( takes initial aggro, provides a third KD with iron palm, does nice damage)
8) Summon Naga Shaman (Stoning does decent damage and provides random KDs with weakness)

I run this alongside an SS necro for my source of weakness and to toss mark of pain just before a target gets echo sins on them. It may not be the best build around for mesmers but its alot of fun to play and gets the job done.

zling · Dec 31, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I like to stay more traditional with my Mesmer in PvE.
since AoE is king of PvE you need some form of AoE.
since Monks are kings of everything you need some form of Monk shutdown.
so there you go...

Cry of Pain
Cry of Frustration
Ether Nightmare
Wastel's Worry
Power Drain
Auspicious Incantation
Mantra of Recovery
Death Pact Signet

there, you have it all... excellent energy management, quick cast and recharge times. AoE, Anti Caster, DPS.

for those of you who dont really get it:
Ether Nightmare is excellent pressure for enemy Monks as AI doesnt deal well with mass degen. it also fuels Cry of Pain.
Cry of Pain and Cry of Frustration are your AoE damage and interrupts. make sure to use Cry of Pain on a hexed target, that's why you have Ether Nightmare and Wastel's Worry.
Wastel's Worry is mainly to fuel Cry of Pain but its also very nice DPS, especially on bosses.
Power Drain is your single target interrupt and minor energy management.
Auspicious Incantation is your main energy management, use it on spells in this order: Cry of Frustration->Cry of Pain->Ether Nightmare and if you must have energy and cant use either of them than Power Drain->Wastel's Worry.

viens87 · Jan 03, 2008, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by horseradish

Yes, Dean put a slash in between Energy Surge and Mantra of Recovery.

The build Viens87 posted has two elites however.

where u see 2 elites ?

DRGN · Jan 03, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by viens87

where u see 2 elites ?

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Originally Posted by viens87

4.echo (elite)
5.glypt of energy

^Right there. >________>

upier · Jan 03, 2008, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by DRGN

^Right there. >________>

If we are being so uptight about skills - we could also say that the skill "Glypt" isn't even in the game.
The dude just forgot that "lesser" in the middle of the skill.

Clarissa F · Jan 04, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Considering how mediocre [skill]glyph of energy[/skill] is, especially in a mesmer build, I think most would guess he meant [skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill].

Jesus, I don't know anyone who uses that elite in an ele build.

Terraban · Jan 04, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by Dean Harper

the problem with this is that conditions can be outmatched by direct damage. Your best shot at getting anywhere close to dealing as much damage as a Ele (though not as frequently) is this:

Incorrect....

The power of conditions cannot be outmatched by Mesmer damage.

Last I looked, this thread wasn't called "how can I be a weaker ele?".

Kattar · Jan 05, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

He's not saying that. Mesmer conditions, by and large, aren't as useful as direct dmg. (I know there are exceptions, so don't freak out on me here people.) If the mob is dead it doesn't matter so much what conditions they had on them.

And he's definitely not saying that ele dmg can be matched by a mesmer either. This is not the place to try and prove that point either way.

Also, /close since the OP hasn't posted in awhile?

Terraban · Jan 05, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Katsumi Rikyu

He's not saying that. Mesmer conditions, by and large, aren't as useful as direct dmg. (I know there are exceptions, so don't freak out on me here people.) If the mob is dead it doesn't matter so much what conditions they had on them.

And he's definitely not saying that ele dmg can be matched by a mesmer either. This is not the place to try and prove that point either way.

Also, /close since the OP hasn't posted in awhile?

Well, the point of this thread was "What is something that a mesmer does better than another profession?"

I agree that if they are dead that it does not matter what conditions they had on them. However, if we are going for "kill kill kill faster faster faster", then a Mesmer is pretty much on the bottom of the priority list. If we are going for some sort of utility, nothing has the ability to amplify conditions like the Mesmer does. The build doesn't rely on "Mesmer conditions" it relies on the BHA to hit its target, and it relies on the Blindbot to hit the target. It is hard to be global daze+blind when it comes to utility, which is really only possible with Fevered Dreams. The rest of the conditions are just gravy.

However, he suggests a damage build, which doesn't outdamage an elementalist, or even a necromancer, which doesn't meet the requirement of "doing something better than another profession".

As for closing the thread...it seems like a good idea since people just keep posting the same mediocre damage build over and over and over.

yui · Jan 05, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Ok assuming the mesmer really doesn't exceed in any PvE field, but it is still the 2nd best one in different things....
Is this all really bad? Does this make mesmer totally useless in a PvE party?
It sure does when you have a perfect party, with all the right builds for the mission or whatever. However this is not always the case, many times you don't have this so-much wanted party, and a mesmer can choose properly its build and its role, mesmers are a quite versatile profession.

Said this, I belive anyway that people who chose mesmer as PvE char don't play mesmer just to own all the foes, but mostly because they like the profession and don't really mind if they suck or they are not the best.

Just to answer to this thread's topic directly: No, mesmer can't excel in any PvE field, nor be as good as other professions, though I do not really care about this, do you?

Kattar · Jan 05, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Terraban

Well, the point of this thread was "What is something that a mesmer does better than another profession?"

I agree that if they are dead that it does not matter what conditions they had on them. However, if we are going for "kill kill kill faster faster faster", then a Mesmer is pretty much on the bottom of the priority list. If we are going for some sort of utility, nothing has the ability to amplify conditions like the Mesmer does. The build doesn't rely on "Mesmer conditions" it relies on the BHA to hit its target, and it relies on the Blindbot to hit the target. It is hard to be global daze+blind when it comes to utility, which is really only possible with Fevered Dreams. The rest of the conditions are just gravy.

However, he suggests a damage build, which doesn't outdamage an elementalist, or even a necromancer, which doesn't meet the requirement of "doing something better than another profession".

As for closing the thread...it seems like a good idea since people just keep posting the same mediocre damage build over and over and over.

You are completely correct. In PvE though, I find conditions/hexes not to be so useful (except empathy, backfire, and that other elite that causes blindness). In PvP, and hardmode for that matter, they tend to be more effective, since enemies are much more robust.