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Bowstring Badass · Jul 19, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

thats not a spike.....

Part of it so your argument was just made pointless. Besides no one spikes in PvE and if they do they are bad.

-Lotus- · Jul 19, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

Mesmers dont need the energy management that eles and necros do, giving them more will be a wast. Fast casting works better for mesmer for mesmer. Im not sure what does not make sense in that.

please re-read this. its funny if you have any reading comprehension

JDRyder · Jul 19, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

please re-read this. its funny if you have any reading comprehension

none of what he said made fast casting useless etc, half of it was not even right...

why do you h8 mesmers so much away way, I see you posting all over the forums saying "mesmers suck" etc

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Part of it so your argument was just made pointless.

didnt get that

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Besides no one spikes in PvE and if they do they are bad.

I never said to spike in pve

-Lotus- · Jul 19, 2008, 07:19 AM // 07:19

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

none of what he said made fast casting useless etc, half of it was not even right...

why do you h8 mesmers so much away way, I see you posting all over the forums saying "mesmers suck" etc

I dont hate mesmers. i hate players like you who have stood in the way of them becoming useful as PvE characters since the game was created.

kostolomac · Jul 19, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

I think the primary should be changed a little , first rename it so that it fits with the newly added effect and then add some other effect except increased cast speed. Some ideas:
1. lower the recharge of successfully cast spells by a percentage.
2. increase the duration of hexes successfully cast.
3. add 1 point of armor ignoring damage per rank of fast casting.
The third idea is probably the worst , but I like wanding

JDRyder · Jul 19, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

I dont hate mesmers. i hate players like you who have stood in the way of them becoming useful as PvE characters since the game was created.

they are useful and telling people not to play mesmer is not going to fix any thing

DarkSpirit · Jul 19, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

they are useful and telling people not to play mesmer is not going to fix any thing

You should learn to read before you reply.

JDRyder · Jul 19, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

their are other threads, where he has said dont play/take mesmer

-Lotus- · Jul 19, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

yeah, ive said that when people ask for advice on what profession to play. mesmers currently suck in PvE. they will never get fixed if people continue to insist they are as capable as other caster primaries.

Lishy · Jul 19, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

yeah, ive said that when people ask for advice on what profession to play. mesmers currently suck in PvE. they will never get fixed if people continue to insist they are as capable as other caster primaries.

Retard who is just plain ignorant ^^^^

After all the facts and uses have been shown on the mesmer's possibilities.. Retarded and just plain ignorant is truly all that can describe you

We have a CoP spam, interupt, SoI Ele, farming, IW, and a variety of other builds.
High damaging ARMOR IGNORING AoE spells. Whats more to ask for? On top of that, the mesmer is the class most favored by Izzy and gets all the overpowered buffs. Then you can annoy your enemy with shutdown in Pvp.
I, for one, say the mesmer is the most overpowered.

Tyla · Jul 19, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

We have a CoP spam

CoP isn't linked to an attribute.

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interupt

I heard you can take interrupts on other characters too?

Oh, and say hello to my little friend...

[bha]

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SoI Ele

Basically...

You're playing an Elementalist??

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farming

All professions can farm. This isn't anything new.

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IW

Basically you're a paper cutout Warrior that is inferior in terms of damage and can't use Deep Wounds or most utility nearly as effectively as a normal melee class?

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High damaging ARMOR IGNORING AoE spells. Whats more to ask for? On top of that, the mesmer is the class most favored by Izzy and gets all the overpowered buffs.

The only thing which will "fix" Mesmers in PvE is: Not giving enemies insane states and giving them decent AI so they provide a challenge without a Mesmer and shutdown other than kill kill kill is more applicable.

Face it; if you want to get things done a Mesmer isn't the best position for the job. If you prefer the playstyle, so be it. Just understand that it is sub-par in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Part of it so your argument was just made pointless. Besides no one spikes in PvE and if they do they are bad.

Yeah, but watching everything pop in an AoE radius with a Triple Shot -> Savage Shot spike on a target with Mark of Pain on them is so awesome...

JDRyder · Jul 19, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

comparing classes is dumb and mesmers do not need any fixing. Till you give a reason for why i dont see where your coming from. Saying they Don't do damage is not a good reason. A Illusion mesmer can F*** melee up, and still be able interrupts, remove enchant, hexes etc, same for Dom mesmers only with casters. Being able to remove enchants is very nice, and its used in the 3 necro builds and in a lot of hard mode areas theres a lot of enchants that can hurt your teams DPS, Interrupts are very nice cause if you interrupt a spell, thats 5-20+ energy monks will not have to wast cause the skill never hit the player. If your using [CoF] or [Power spike] you do a good bit of damage as well. Mesers are not a DPS class tho, they are support/defense class, and if every class had damage like every other class, then every class would be the same for the most part and the game would be boring.

Are mesmers always useful? No but every class has its places where they are not useful "maybe not monks unless you used N/Rts or healing rits". It all about where you are, and how good of synergy your teams builds has. You can get a way with a lot in pve, the full damage tactics work but so does a lot of other crap builds, when it comes to whats BEST to run, mesmers will have their place in the build almost every time.

as far as Kain Fz quote, im with Tyla on most of what he said.

Theres also no need for calling people "Retard" or "ignorant" this is nothing more than a friendly discussion, and i support anys 1 that says im wrong. If we did not question people, we'd still think the earth was flat.

Lishy · Jul 19, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Tyla, the point of a SoI ele is to use all 4 elements at attribute 16 with a fast casting time.

JDRyder · Jul 19, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

you mean 14 sups are a wast of HP. :P

and yes you can do that but why? If you really need all that stuff just take 2 eles, with 12,9,9 atts

Tyla · Jul 19, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Let's see then.

Air's uses: Blind, Gale and mediocre damage.
Fire's uses: AoE damage.
Water's uses: Anti-melee, snares, mediocre damage.
Earth's uses: Party defense, mediocre damage.

Why would you want all 4? Seems a bit of a waste when you can just as easily go E/ and hybridise between two for nearly the same results. Oh, and I wouldn't run superiors even for SoI. If you do it for the Fast Casting, you might aswell just go with a 40/40.

byteme! · Jul 19, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Mesmers need a buff in PvE. Saying Mesmers are good enough isn't gonna cut it.

Tyla · Jul 19, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Mesmers need a buff in PvE. Saying Mesmers are good enough isn't gonna cut it.

Mesmers don't need a buff. PvE needs a complete rework.

Enemies don't need absurd stats. They need a full skill bar and AI that can run said skill bar.

kostolomac · Jul 19, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Enemies don't need absurd stats. They need a full skill bar and AI that can run said skill bar.

QFT

Also making e-denial nearly impossible was plain stupid , didn't A.net know that they are going kick mesmers in the nuts pretty hard with that? And the 50% increased cast didn't help much either.

Fast casting needs a buff ,in fact mesmers need a buff.

JDRyder · Jul 19, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

than i take it you dont use any 40/40 sets on your chars. Fast casting works for mesmer very well imo, and it does not need a buff.

And if your were going to buff fast casting, how would you do it to where its more helpful than it is now but not making it overpowered?

kostolomac · Jul 19, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

I use 40/40 sets in pve when I feel like it.

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And if your were going to buff fast casting, how would you do it to where its more helpful than it is now but not making it overpowered?

That's the devs job , but I wouldn't buff it directly , just make it more useful. Simply tying CoP to fast casting would be a buff enough.