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JupiterStarWarrior · Sep 23, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

Okay, I've an interesting (but hopefully fun) idea for a build: Mesmer/Paragon build. You're probably thinking that this wouldn't work and that I'm stupid for coming up for this idea. Maybe, but I want to have fun in this game, and if that means making a Mesmer/Paragon build to do so, by God I shall do it!

Unfortunately, I only have a pair of Paragon elite skills: "Incoming!" and Song of Purification. I don't want to use anything from the Leadership Line (because I simply won't be able to take a decent-enough advantage of it), and the only thing that Fast Casting can take advantage of are signets, so I don't want to use any Attributes toward that.

However, I wouldn't mind having two, MAYBE three Spear Mastery skills, and I definitely want to use Command and Motivation shouts/songs/etc to a good degree. I don't care which Resurrection skill to use (either Resurrection Signet or Sunspear Rebirth Signet), and I can easily get non-elite skills either from Tomes or from Skill Trainers (I have all skills unlocked). Finally, seeing as how I may actually use this to capture Elite skills (again, I want to have fun with this), I'd like to have a Signet of Capture slot open. Obviously, this is something for PvE (one can't have Signet of Capture and/or Sunspear Rebirth Signet in PvP).

What kind of suggestions do you have regarding these conditions? I'd like to try them out. This is supposed to be fun and creative, so let your imagination roll! Who knows? Perhaps I could start a trend!

... Okay, maybe not a trend, but I still want you guys to have fun with this little thing.

Painbringer · Sep 23, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

[fevered dreams] could be an option with some spear skills or [extend conditions]

just a thought never mixed the two classes much

=DNC=Trucker · Sep 23, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

If you are open to cap new skills, I have a few ideas for you.

I have used a support/spear build in the past using [skill]Cautery Signet[/skill] and [skill]Remedy Signet[/skill]. The mesmers fast casting and mantra of inscriptions make for very quick casting/low recharge of those skills, and they are in no attribute so lots of points are left over to play with spears and command/motivation.

A few skills I have used with this build:

[skill]Epidemic[/skill] - lots of options between the illusion and spear mastery line to inflict a lot of conditions on a target. Epidemic may come in handy to spread them.
[skill]Spear of Fury[/skill] - good damage and adren gain.

I have found the command line to work a lot better than motivation. Motivation has some cool sounding skills but in battle they are sometimes too conditional and become ineffective. In command you have some decent skills - [skill]Never Give Up![/skill] and [skill]Never Surrender![/skill] are good support, as well as [skill]Fall Back![/skill] because we all love to get to the next group faster. Either way I suggest sticking with all command or all motivation. The skills in that line are much better with higher attributes.

Maybe there is some synergy between motivation and inspiration? I don't know. Let us know what you come up with if it works good. I've been down every road in this game and done everything, so now these off the wall builds are what interest me.

zwei2stein · Sep 23, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by =DNC=Trucker

I have used a support/spear build in the past using [skill]Cautery Signet[/skill] and [skill]Remedy Signet[/skill]. The mesmers fast casting and mantra of inscriptions make for very quick casting/low recharge of those skills, and they are in no attribute so lots of points are left over to play with spears and command/motivation.

Also, [signet of synergy] can be interesting if everyone in party runs it, and [signet of return] does not really require high leadership.

snaek · Sep 23, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

let me get this straight...
u understand that fast casting is next to useless for a para
u want "two, MAYBE three Spear Mastery skills" and "definitely want to use Command and Motivation shouts/songs"?
then why not jus roll a para? -___-'

yesh, u wann have fun...
then y not have fun makin the build urself?

i really dun understand how much fun one can have by aksin other ppl to make ineffective builds for them??

sixofone · Sep 23, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

A Signet Mesmer support build might work, though it won't be a highly effective build by any means. Paragon has quite a few signets, and with the Artificer armor (+3/signet) you might have some durability. [cautery signet] and [signet of remedy] come to mind. And isn't there one that causes burning on foes?

Just play around with it and see. Let us know your results!

Khomet Si Netjer · Sep 23, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

painbringer has some good advice. Also you could try capturing Cautery Signet and then set up a build with mantra of inscriptions, domination/inspiration signets, cautery signet and signet of return for some fast activating fast recharging fun. something like 12+ dom, 8+1 fc, 10 insp. Removing all conditions from your party every 9s is not bad at all and especially useful in certain areas of the game, against Murakai and Abaddon for example. I have set up Gwen do do this sort of thing on occasion, works great.

gahh i should have refreshed the page before posting... some people already posted this concept.

JupiterStarWarrior · Sep 24, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by snaek

Let me get this straight...
You understand that Fast Casting is next to useless for a Paragon, and you want "two, MAYBE three Spear Mastery skills" and "definitely want to use Command and Motivation shouts/songs"?
Then why not just roll a Paragon? -___-'

Yes you want to have fun, then why not have fun making the build yourself?

I really don't understand how much fun one can have by asking other people to make ineffective builds for that one.

If you had read my post, you would have seen that I didn't want any spent Attributes in the Fast Casting line, seeing as how Signets would be about the only thing that would affect this build. The purpose is to pool together ideas from the community and see what people come up with. As for "rolling a [paragon]", I already have, but she's nowhere near capturing skills or any vanquishing, so I want to see what a Mesmer/Paragon can do. It's available, so unless you can make a contribution, please refrain from discussing the usefulness of my idea in here. If you wish to discuss it, do so to me personally, and not here. This is a discussion of creating something unique. Besides, I'm tired of using the same cookie-cutter build over and over and over. I want to eventually get every single skill learned on one character. This way, she can do whatever the hell I want her to do. If I want to make a Mesmer/Dervish, I'll do so.

To those who have contributed, thank you for your ideas. Later tonight, I will see what I can do. I mainly want to see which skills go with which skills.

sixofone · Sep 24, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

To those who have contributed, thank you for your ideas. Later tonight, I will see what I can do. I mainly want to see which skills go with which skills.

Aside from signets, all I can see is spreading conditions (bleeding & burning), as those are the conditions you can easily inflict with the Paragon spear skills. Not much point in all the shouts and such that you mentioned in your OP, unless you find a way to e-manage.

Also, something that just occurred to me: how do you intend to synergize with a team build? I mean, if you have a Ranger inflicting conditions, then you bring Epidemic of Fevered Dreams and save the Spear skills for something else. If you're looking to be a support character, are you looking at a physical heavy team? Or caster focused? Makes a difference on Command or Motivation shouts/chants you'd want to bring.

Painbringer · Sep 24, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Maybe this

[Fevered Dreams]
[Fragility]
[Accumulated Pain]
[Barbed Spear]
[spear of fury]
[Blazing spear]
[cry of pain]
[Either feast] optional

This would require a H/H group or players keeping you alive (but anything can work in PVE)

Darkside · Sep 24, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I wanna make a Elementalist but I'm gonna use my warrior. Maybe spam some flare...yah that will last about 4 seconds.

I don't see what kinda fun can be had by combining two classes that have no synergy at all. Either way you go with this you're gonna end up with a crappy Paragon or a crappy Mesmer.

Maybe being completely useless to your party and/or dieing a lot is fun tho...

My Lipgloss is Cool · Sep 24, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Because, you know, playing with other people is the only way to play.

Every once in a while, normal people have the urge to do something inefficient, but fun, just because we can. I've run that E/W Backbreaker spiker for that reason more than once in RA. Now for best efficiency, I should be running a monk or something, but that's not quite as fun.

If you don't want to play the build, don't load it up.

xDusT II · Sep 25, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by snaek

let me get this straight...
u understand that fast casting is next to useless for a para
u want "two, MAYBE three Spear Mastery skills" and "definitely want to use Command and Motivation shouts/songs"?
then why not jus roll a para? -___-'

yesh, u wann have fun...
then y not have fun makin the build urself?

i really dun understand how much fun one can have by aksin other ppl to make ineffective builds for them??

I agree with this post, what's the point of trying to be creative then asking everyone else to make the build for you? If the objective is for you to have fun then there's not much we can do except throw together terribly inefficient builds that meet your parameters.

upier · Sep 25, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

12 SM.
No SY!
No TNTF!
No FA.
No FGJ!
No AR.
No Leadership.
Have FUN!

Let me guess - next week it's going to be a mesmer MM?

zelgadissan · Sep 25, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by upier

Let me guess - next week it's going to be a mesmer MM?

I have a screenshot from a pug of Koss casting Animate Flesh Golem >.<

On topic, it's hard to find two classes who synergize less. In fact, I'm not coming up with one offhand. I agree with the general consensus of it's not going to be good, so you're probably better off coming up with it on your own so you can have the most fun with it. I'd say Painbringer is on the right track with a condition heavy/spread build.

Clarissa F · Oct 01, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

@ those poo-pooing on the OP: He posted to get ideas, if possible, and try them out. I don't think he wants to post this on wiki or anything. Be constructive, not anal-retentive.

OP: Other than the Cautery Signet/condition spread idea, I don't see much in the Paragon line that synergizes with the Mesmer's primary job, which is disruption. If you wanted to use Mesmer and paragon together, you'll be better off using P/M. For me, the Mesmer hexes are better for me than hurling a spear.

Good luck, though, and post your build if you do find something cool.

Avarre · Oct 01, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

OP: Other than the Cautery Signet/condition spread idea, I don't see much in the Paragon line that synergizes with the Mesmer

Pretty much this. Just to give ideas, with Mesmers being able to compress their bar, you could play around with fitting some party defense shouts while maintaining offense.

Painbringer · Oct 07, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

I tried this last night. It did work ok with Heros / Hench (but not as fun as all mesmer skills)

PVE Para/snipe is all I could seem to come up with for PVE (notice no heal, no rez) echo can be used to duplicate Sniper but it is just not worth it unless you are against Charr. Your team will have to keep you alive. Hero / Hench don’t seem to mind.

Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support
Ebon Battle Standard of Honor
Signet of infection / Ebon Battle Standard of Courage
"Find Their Weakness!"
"Go for the Eyes!"
Anthem of Disruption / Anthem of Weariness
Blazing spear
Extend Conditions / echo

12 Spear
12 Command
Balance and Rune Inspiration

I even went to PVP RA and tried this… it did support the team, but a Paragon would do it better

Barbed spear
Blazing spear
Holy Spear (works on Rits sitting on there spirits) / maiming spear
Extend Conditions / "Find Their Weakness!"
Anthem of Disruption
Anthem of Weariness
Ether feast
Resurrection Signet

12 Spear
12 Command
Balance and Rune Inspiration

All and all something different that’s for sure neat to see wings on a mesmer but not my first choice for skills. Although PVP was fun to see the reaction.

illidan009 · Oct 09, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by JupiterStarWarrior

If you had read my post, you would have seen that I didn't want any spent Attributes in the Fast Casting line, seeing as how Signets would be about the only thing that would affect this build. The purpose is to pool together ideas from the community and see what people come up with. As for "rolling a [paragon]", I already have, but she's nowhere near capturing skills or any vanquishing, so I want to see what a Mesmer/Paragon can do. It's available, so unless you can make a contribution, please refrain from discussing the usefulness of my idea in here. If you wish to discuss it, do so to me personally, and not here. This is a discussion of creating something unique. Besides, I'm tired of using the same cookie-cutter build over and over and over. I want to eventually get every single skill learned on one character. This way, she can do whatever the hell I want her to do. If I want to make a Mesmer/Dervish, I'll do so.

To those who have contributed, thank you for your ideas. Later tonight, I will see what I can do. I mainly want to see which skills go with which skills.

So you don't want any fast casting...why not make a paragon/mesmer instead? Is it b/c paragons aren't sexy enough? :P Honestly if you're not using fast casting there is NO reason to not be using P/Me instead...unless this is an old character and you've grown attached.
THERE'S NOTHING TO FEAR!!!!!!(IT'S GOOD TRUST ME, only if you're Paragon main though ahahah)