Curse

jmyhld · Jul 31, 2009, 11:20 AM // 11:20

i thought it would be nice to have a topic that contain people's favourite builds to use in HM. this might inspire other people aswell to try a mesmer.

i'll kick off

11+1 FC
12+1+1 Domination
6+1 Inspiration

Gole
E-Surge
Empathy
Wastrel's Worry
Mistrust
Cry of Frustration
Power Drain
Drain Enchantment

quite nice armor ignoring dmg coupled with good e-management [gole,power drain, drain enchantment] while you have the ability to interrupt almost everything. oh and enchant removal.

draxynnic · Aug 01, 2009, 10:15 AM // 10:15

FC 6+1
Illusion 12+2
Inspiration 8+1
Deadly Arts 11

"Finish Him!"
Assassin's Promise
Clumsiness
Auspicious Incantation
Arcane Echo
Ebon Vanguard Assassins Support
Optional PvE (YMLAD, CoP, Sniper Support against Charr)
Wandering Eye or ressig

Main purpose is to spam assassins. Clumsiness and Wandering Eye may be traded out for other skills as appropriate for the expected opposition, possibly switching to Domination instead of Illusion. More drastic changes may be required in areas where enemies may not die often enough to suit Assassin's Promise, or where some specific threat or annoyance needs to be neutralised by some means other than killing it in the face.

avilia · Aug 05, 2009, 01:21 PM // 13:21

My mesmer VQ build

Mesmer/Elementalist
Illusion Magic: 10+1+1
Inspiration Magic: 10+1
Fast Casting: 9+1
Water Magic: 6
Fire Magic: 4

Fevered Dreams
"You Move Like A Dwarf!"
Fragility
Cry of Pain
Glyph of Immolation
Steam
Drain Delusions
"Finish Him!"

Basically, use Fevered Dreams to put deepwound, blind, cracked armor, burning and cripple on an entire mob. I also use a necromancer hero with Virulence to spread weakness, poison and disease also. Energy is an issue, but your big spike usually only needs to be cast once per fight, so you can manage with smart use of Drain Delusions.

zelgadissan · Aug 05, 2009, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Since I've pretty much stopped trying to play PvE optimally and instead play for personal fun and enjoyment - here's the build I usually end up running 99% of the time anymore, and probably used for about 30-40% of my vanquishes:

Dom 12+1+1
Insp 10+1
FC 8+1
Restoration 2

Empathy
Backfire
Cry of Frustration
Cry of Pain
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support (or Pain Inverter, Technobabble, etc.)
Energy Drain
Flesh of My Flesh

Don't bother pointing out the problems, I know where they are. Reread the top if you really feel like critiquing.

maxxfury · Aug 05, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I'm generally pretty lazy when it comes to running vanq's:

10 Deadly Arts
10 fast casting
12 Inspiration
rest in illusion (atts are aprox.~ cant remember exactly from laptop

)

[Assassins Promise][Arcane echo][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Fragility]
[Cry of Pain]["Finish Him!"][Auspicious Incantation] OR [Ether Signet]

Then something like [Hex Eater Signet][Signet Of Twilight][Leech Sig][Power Drain][Res Sig][Dark Escape][epidemic] ect. depending.

Or swap [Cry of pain] for [Ebon Sniper] or [YMLAD]

Pump Illusion up and run [clumisness] and [Wandering Eye] in the spare slots if there is a lot of melee. (pretty much the same varient that draxynnix posted)

Raela79 · Aug 05, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

FC: 10
Illusion: 12+2+1
Inspiration: 8

Ineptitude
Fragility
Cry Of Pain
Wandering Eye
You Move Like a Dwarf
Finish Him!
Drain Enchantment
Ether Feast

I know Fevered Dreams is popular with fragility but I like ineptitude and its serves me well on vq's

draxynnic · Aug 06, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxfury

Pump Illusion up and run [clumisness] and [Wandering Eye] in the spare slots if there is a lot of melee. (pretty much the same varient that draxynnix posted)

Ironically, apart from the attribute spread, your build is pretty much what I ran before CoP got adjusted, except that I used Conjure Nightmare in the optional slot to provide energy management when combined with Auspicious Incantation.

Doesn't work so well with the new CoP though, for reasons that should be obvious. In the end, I decided Clumsiness and Wandering Eye did a comparable job while leaving the PvE slot open for something else.

upier · Aug 08, 2009, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Fast Casting 8 + 1
Deadly Arts 10
Domination 12 +2

You Move Like A Dwarf!
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Finish Him!
Assassin's Promise
Shame
Guilt
Blackout
Cry Of Frustration

Shame and Guilt are probably the best PvE mesmer spell interrupts and AP enables me to spam them. They also serve as e-management.
CoF when I want to try my luck interrupting.
Blackout because I love it. Plus I can unload the skillbar, AP a foe, Blackout a different foe, leaving my heroes to spike down the APed target, recharging all my skills and removing Blackout's disable effect of me.

Calista Blackblood · Aug 09, 2009, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Nice idea for a thread OP but I have edited the thread title to be more concise and cleaned out posts that didn't belong.

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draxynnic · Aug 09, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Shame and Guilt are probably the best PvE mesmer spell interrupts and AP enables me to spam them. They also serve as e-management.

Not really interrupts, more the spell equivalents of Clumsiness and Wandering Eye (Mistrust and Wandering have an obvious correlation...). That said, the AI is usually dumb and will cast spells through it.

Problem is that they only cause the spell to fail rather than be technically interrupted, so there's nothing stopping the enemy from paying the price and then attempting the spell again. If the target is going to die two seconds later it doesn't matter, but if you're trying to control an off target you need something harder. (Unfortunately.)

upier · Aug 10, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

Not really interrupts, more the spell equivalents of Clumsiness and Wandering Eye (Mistrust and Wandering have an obvious correlation...). That said, the AI is usually dumb and will cast spells through it.

Problem is that they only cause the spell to fail rather than be technically interrupted, so there's nothing stopping the enemy from paying the price and then attempting the spell again. If the target is going to die two seconds later it doesn't matter, but if you're trying to control an off target you need something harder. (Unfortunately.)

Yep.
Still, when we are dealing with HM, ANYTHING that doesn't get through is nice (regardless if it gets interrupted or just postponed). Sure, it's far from needed, but it actually gives something different to do when doing a mesmer. Which is superb when we are dealing with the AP build where half the build is completely generic and it plays just as the same regardless if I run it on my ritualist or this guy.

boxterduke · Aug 10, 2009, 02:15 PM // 14:15

When I started doing HM with my Mesmer a couple years ago, I used a couple different builds at the beggining but then I landed on a build that I used it to finish all 4 games missions/VQ/dungeons in HM.

It was effective and fast to kill. I'm sure others use it as well and I still use it.

Mistrust
Guilt or Shame (depending if there is a monk that is annoying in the area being done)
Cry of Frustration
Empathy
Cry of Pain
Pain Inverter
Assassin's Promise
"Finish Him!"

Space · Aug 10, 2009, 02:19 PM // 14:19

[Visions of Regret]
[Empathy]
[Backfire]
[Guilt]
[Power Drain]
[Cry of Pain]
[Necrosis]
["Finish Him!"]

Still does the job pretty well after the nerfs, probably not as well as AP but takes down multi heal groups nicely. Especially if your minions like breaking aggro all over the place.

zm4 · Aug 11, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

I use this with discord necros

Fast casting 8+1
Dom 12+1+1
Inspiration 9+1
Curses 7

Necrosis
Enfeebling blood
Weaken armor
Visions of regret
Pain inverter
Empathy
optional
optional

For optional slots some e-management , cry of pain , Auspicious incantation + Chilblains , By Ural's hammer for additional dmg , drain enchantments , Shatter hex, Ether nightmare, Shadow of fear, etc. , etc.

Spread conditions and hexes , then help the spike with necrosis. With one cast of VoR and WA/EB you can kill 2-3 enemies.For more dmg on one target(mainly bosses) cast PI + VoR or Emphaty + PI.

SaDuFam · Aug 12, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

I use this all purpose build to support the Discord necro team

Fragility (Apply AOE hex)
You Move Like A Dwarf! (Apply condition with bonus damage from Fragility and set up for the necros to use Discord)
Cry of Pain / Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support/Pain Inverter / other skills (optional if the target health is already below 50% by this time)
Assassin's Promise (set up for next chain attack, apply only if the risk of hex removal is low or the target will be finished following the next skill) Use Fragility again if cover hex is required. (the foe may get heal to lift HP above 50%)
Finish Him! (Cleanly finish the target. Fragility adds another 40 damage to the 80 base)

Optional
Enhancement removal skills from Inspiration line against monk bosses.
Set Discord necros to apply Weakness and Craked Armor Curses that are effective against non-flesh foes.
I couldn't be bother with res sig for VQ

The Josip · Aug 23, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Me/A Annihilator

Mistrust
Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Unnatural Signet
You Move Like a Dwarf
Finish Him
Assassin's Promise [E]
Ether Signet
Rez/utility

Mistrust is opening move when it's important to block a spell, or for nice AoE. In most cases there won't be time to cast this skill. Unnatural Signet causes nice armor-ignoring damage (well, pretty much every damage here is armor-ignoring) for no energy, and it has almost instant recharge thanks to AP. YMLD is used both offensively and defensively, depending on the circumstances. This skill along with properly timed Finish Him and AP can easily cause over 200dmg (deep wound included) every few seconds, along with other side-effects. But since Shouts don't have cast time, one can squeeze one of the other skills in, which gives very nice (repeatable) dps. Ether Signet (with AP) is like Soul Reaping.

Basically, this build is played like a machine gun.

(As for CoP, I like it less than three other PvE skills I included, and personally think it's less useful. Pain Inverter is another great PvE skill which I didn't include simply because I felt it doesn't fit in as nicely as those other PvE skills. But I'll play around with that as well, to test it more.)

Proper timing of AP and other skills (especially Ether Signet) is important. Ether Signet is easy to 'miss', because if one starts casting it at 7 energy for instance, by the time it's cast one will have 8 and thus no e-gain.

jigenbakuda · Aug 24, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

I have not done a lot of vanquishing with my mez as she is not my main, but I vanquished 1 zone (somewhere in the kurzick forrest...) and got masters on 1 mission in hardmode... I play the game to make crazy builds and have fun, mez is a very interesting class if you are not worried about being imba and most efficient player ever. That being said... The current mez build I'm in love with is an illusion inspiration build, like 14 in illusion 9 in fast cast and the rest in inspiratrion. I told myself I would play mesmer with no pve only skills

Shared burden (elite)
humility signet
clumsiness
fragility
illusion of pain
ether feast
energy tap
comfort animal

Shared burden is my, "get back to NM" spammable aoe delight button, I love that elite, its quite fun. Humility signet disables elites... and no energy cost... clumsiness needs no explanation. Fragility is for whenever I run with ROJ or a MM hero. Illusion of pain in the best skill, lol I love that thing, mine is at -9 degen with 90 armor ignoring damage, the effect is longer than the cooldown, so reapply for no heal, and even more damage. ether feast mah self heal. Energy tap mah e management. comfort animal to increase my dps, because I have none, new pet buff was my favorite

I roll with a phoneix, because its green and matches my elite canthan elite armor

(in all jade she is so player, he he)

I'm thinking about adding mantra of persistence just to be that much more of a jerk to guild wars,but anyways thats my mesmer hardmode build atm. Oh and I use power return for a fast recharging interrupt if I'm in a cast heavy area, I'm not running an e denial build, plus pve enemies never run out of energy anyways.

Oh yea I only H/H, I rarely play with humans... so I tote henchies along and can still vanquish and etc... but maybe my heros do way more work than me

I don't run discord sabway or any other way, I just put random stuff on my heros, just to have fun, although I almost always run with either a spirit spammer or a minion master.

kostolomac · Aug 24, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

My build.
Need12chars.