Curse

Mia Clemons · Jul 12, 2010, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Kudos if you even remember what Shatterstorm does let alone have ever used it. For those of you who dont know, Shatterstorm removes all enchantments from target foe, and for every enchantment, it takes an additional 7 seconds to recharge. Energy cost: 10, cast time: 1s.

IMO, this skill is worthless in both PvE and PvP. It needs to have some additional flair to it. Maybe include some energy denial or damage for each enchantment removed?

If anyone else agrees, please say something because i have never come across a situation where i would need to use this ELITE for something as trivial as enchantment removal that disables itself for such a long period of time.

Playing Is Srs Bsns · Jul 12, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

ppl still use it
if someone doesnt use it in PvE, that doesnt mean its not used in PvP
water eles used it in GvG (i dont mean shatterstone) and paragons in Rspike teams

Lanier · Jul 12, 2010, 08:37 PM // 20:37

I agree completely. This elite in my opinion is tied with withdraw hexes as the most useless elites the game. Air of Disenchantment is an infinitely better elite enchantment removal in both pve and pvp. I would either like to see it become an elite shatter enchantment (and tie it to domination magic) that does slightly more damage at a lower recharge and energy cost or have a functionality change altogether.

Mia Clemons · Jul 12, 2010, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Eles may use it RARELY in GvG but it think about it, its an elite. What part of the skill seems ELITE to you? even Air of Disenchantment would be infinitely better. I would hope Anet just changes its functionality all together!

Playing Is Srs Bsns · Jul 12, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

well I mean Fast Cast Water Mesmers used it before nerf, but not anymore

and also mesmers use it in that epic mesmerspike

Mia Clemons · Jul 12, 2010, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Yes but your still talking about PvP. Have you EVER had a reason to even consider bringing it in PvE? It just has no serious application in either mode. Sure it could be a good spike but i feel there are better ways to spend my elite skill slot then such a pathetic skill as that.

I'm doubly curious why Anet did not address this issue when re-buffing the Mesmer class as a whole...
maybe it's such a crap skill that even they forgot about it?
I would seriously like to see skills like these re-buffed.

Del · Jul 12, 2010, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Not everything needs to be useful. There are tons of crap elites for every profession, i don't see why shatterstorm should even be considered for a buff.

Mia Clemons · Jul 12, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

That may be true but my point is, i have NEVER seen Shatterstorm in a PvE build and very rarely in PvP. It's just outdated with all the updates that have come out since it was released.
I would be so much happier if it became an elite version of Shatter Enchantment. Give it some extra usage in PvE at least. Unless your fighting some crazy ass monk Boss in PvE, i cant imagine anywhere where it would be even slightly useful over Gaze of Contempt or Air of Disenchantment.

Kyp Jade · Jul 12, 2010, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Turn it into a spell that is the epidemic for hexes, spreads hexes to all nearby things, that would be fun

Del · Jul 12, 2010, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

Turn it into a spell that is the epidemic for hexes, spreads hexes to all nearby things, that would be fun

Then mesmers would be a useful accessory to necros in pve, MoP and IV ftw.

Mia Clemons · Jul 12, 2010, 10:54 PM // 22:54

while that is a bit off topic, i think that would be way OP-ing. Consider spreading SS to adjacent foes or PI. it would get abused real fast.

Another idea a friend gave me, was to make Shatterstorm like Chaos Storm in that every second it would remove an enchantment and deal damage like Shatter enchantment. (over like 5 seconds or so). Viable?

Kyp Jade · Jul 12, 2010, 11:15 PM // 23:15

In PvE, you dont care about OPness, you care about funfactor

Luminarus · Jul 13, 2010, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Gaze of Contempt, and Rend Enchantments do basically the same thing wihtout the elite status. Furthermore, if you do get lucky and hit a massive enchant stack on say an ele... ur elites gonna be out for liek 30 seconds. So badly not worth it... The more useful and skillfully u use it, the less useful it actually is.

Lanier · Jul 13, 2010, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Del

Not everything needs to be useful. There are tons of crap elites for every profession, i don't see why shatterstorm should even be considered for a buff.

That is no reason why we can't try to make them useful. The whole epidemic sexes idea would be way overpowered though.

EDIT: rofl, i meant hexes, not sexes

Del · Jul 13, 2010, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by Lanier

That is no reason why we can't try to make them useful. The whole epidemic sexes idea would be way overpowered though.

True, but bufing isn't a good idea seeing as how powercreep is only making the game worse.

Mia Clemons · Jul 14, 2010, 05:35 PM // 17:35

My overall point is that no one ever brings this skill on their bars because of its potentially large recharge. i see how it could be overpowering but in all the years that ive played, ive never seen anyone bring it.
All im saying is that it would be more beneficial to bring Gaze of Contempt (which does the same thing and is not elite).
This skill hardly deserves an elite status; give it some energy denial for each enchantment removed or something.

Xenomortis · Jul 14, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

"Target foe unconditionally loses all enchantments." That's the essence of the skill - on it's own that's too much for PvP, hence the (often mild) drawback.
Seems fine to me. Adding to its effect is unnecessary powercreep that will either do nothing or bring an overpowered skill into use.

The skill is undesirable due to the presence of viable, almost as powerful alternatives and because the need to remove larger stacks of enchantments isn't there. It would take 4 enchantments before the recharge is significantly above that of the two most comparable skills (Rend and Gaze*), one has a potential health loss, the other has a condition (albeit a lenient one) and both are on a 2 second cast - hardly desirable when trying to support a spike or something. I don't buy the "people don't bring it for the potentially long recharge* argument.

Edit:
*Bleh - Gaze of Contempt has a 15 second recharge; I thought it was also 20. Still, I see Rend much more than I see Gaze and so Rend is the more immediate competitor.

The Drunkard · Jul 16, 2010, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Meh, I don't mind shatterstorm being useless, considering there's so many powerful mesmers skills.

If it were changed, maybe to function something like this:
Remove all mesmer hexes from target foe. For each hex removed, you and target foe loose one enchantment.

Playing Is Srs Bsns · Jul 16, 2010, 11:22 AM // 11:22

sure lets buff Shatterstorm "abit" so PvE is even more broken and more farmable

Mia Clemons · Jul 16, 2010, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Im not saying lets buff the hell out of it, im just saying it has no real usage in regular PvE. In my opinion, it just doesnt quite meet my standard to be an elite skill.