Curse

scoutct6 · Sep 14, 2011, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

A build with three degeneration and degen-like skills isn't a spike. Degeneration is capped and I don't know if you mean Energy Tap or Ether Feast when you list Energy Feast on the bar.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...93&postcount=5
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...81&postcount=9
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&postcount=16
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=12
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...6&postcount=27

Creativity is awesome and in some way it's nice you defend your skill choices, but stop claiming poor builds as somehow amazing or the next big thing.

Did you really go through all that trouble just to point out the 'fantastically epic fail" builds that i've posted? Or was that part of trolling?

I don't see how this is 'claiming poor builds as somehow amazing or the next big thing".

I'm just sharing my ideas, is that too much to ask?

Is this forum so stifled that it can't even take in a couple of 'fresh' ideas for a change?

I'm not asking you to agree with me. But in my honest opinion, taking 'poorer' builds to a hard mode and making it out alive is definitely a heck of a lot more satisfying than using Meta builds or what have you because in the end, its a game - no one's killing themselves just because they flunked in that.

Please for God's sake, try something different for a change and stop doing speed clears with all your preset PvX builds.

Outerworld · Sep 14, 2011, 08:54 AM // 08:54

We seem to have gone off on a tangent here; you claimed that the build you posted had more fire power than the typical AP/EVAS combo. This is false. Deal with it.

Elfblade · Sep 14, 2011, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Ymld! Eva And fh, do what ur build does but better in terms of damage and utility, why because they are quite op. Couple it with ap and you got 4 skills that do more damage and provide knockdowns than your build in max 4 seconds of casting. Then you still have 4 slots left to fill it with more skills.
500 DMg with some utility is nothing if u compare it with any op Mesmer build.

Creativity is good but do not expect applause as creativity does not equal best. I tried ur build and it is just a mediocre damage build with channeling and degen skills that uses soi.

Also you maybe someone who stands by his believes but you certainly have no answer to why you build is better than AP/Esurge/Keystone. Again creativity does not give a moral highground or advantage in game or in a discussion. GW pve is pretty stale and there a few metabuilds that just outdo all the other builds maybe a new metabuild/op build shows up but it certainly is not going to be yours.

Tender Care · Sep 29, 2011, 01:28 PM // 13:28

If you use a team build with many conditions i personally recommend a Keystone signet with Signet of Deadly Corruption...you can deal a great amount of dmg..

Keystone combined with a panic hero is simply impossible to face.

I have a great fun in pve with my keystone signet build..

Outerworld · Sep 29, 2011, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Tender Care

If you use a team build with many conditions i personally recommend a Keystone signet with Signet of Deadly Corruption...you can deal a great amount of dmg..

Keystone combined with a panic hero is simply impossible to face.

I have a great fun in pve with my keystone signet build..

If you're using a teambuild with many conditions then why not FD? On the topic of Keystone I'm not really impressed by it. I'd rather run E-surge or AP/EVAS if I wanted damage.

paranon · Sep 29, 2011, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by scoutct6

I'm just sharing my ideas, is that too much to ask?

Is this forum so stifled that it can't even take in a couple of 'fresh' ideas for a change?

I'm not asking you to agree with me. But in my honest opinion, taking 'poorer' builds to a hard mode and making it out alive is definitely a heck of a lot more satisfying than using Meta builds or what have you because in the end, its a game - no one's killing themselves just because they flunked in that.

Please for God's sake, try something different for a change and stop doing speed clears with all your preset PvX builds.

The builds that are on PvX are the most effective and efficient builds for the job they are designed for, most other things are sub-par. The problem isn't that you posted an idea, the problem was that you posted a terrible idea and then argued first that it was better than the meta, and then started accusing the people who you were arguing with of being unoriginal and simply following the meta. If you want to go onto game forums post your ideas and claim they are better than what most people run then you have to learn to be wrong 99 times out of 100.
TL: DR; If you want to run terrible builds nobody is stopping you, but that doesn't mean we are obliged to get on our knees and praise you for being original.

Str0b0 · Nov 07, 2011, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Outerworld

If you're using a teambuild with many conditions then why not FD? On the topic of Keystone I'm not really impressed by it. I'd rather run E-surge or AP/EVAS if I wanted damage.

Because Keystone is easy e management and just as effective provided you know how to properly flag your heroes to ball the enemies up. I infinitely prefer to use Keystone over FD because I can dedicate my bar to damage instead of having to dedicate slots to e management. It's a focused build without all the hassle of maintenance skills. Because of this you spend less time maintaining the conditions necessary for a build to perform at maximum efficacy and more time actually dealing damage.

Lanier · Nov 07, 2011, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by paranon

The builds that are on PvX are the most effective and efficient builds for the job they are designed for, most other things are sub-par. The problem isn't that you posted an idea, the problem was that you posted a terrible idea and then argued first that it was better than the meta, and then started accusing the people who you were arguing with of being unoriginal and simply following the meta. If you want to go onto game forums post your ideas and claim they are better than what most people run then you have to learn to be wrong 99 times out of 100.
TL: DR; If you want to run terrible builds nobody is stopping you, but that doesn't mean we are obliged to get on our knees and praise you for being original.

Just an FYI... there are many builds in the current meta that are overrated and, honestly, not very good (ex: panic in non-balling situations... which is most situations since most people don't ball up mobs for spiking). Keep in mind that meta = popular, not necessarily effective.

paranon · Nov 07, 2011, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Just an FYI... there are many builds in the current meta that are overrated and, honestly, not very good (ex: panic in non-balling situations... which is most situations since most people don't ball up mobs for spiking). Keep in mind that meta = popular, not necessarily effective.

Most casters in PvE ball themselves up, so panic generally works very well. Whether meta builds are overrated is partially up to your own opinion, but they are all very effective at what they set out to do (eg, there is nothing better than a panic mes for shutting down mass casters).

Lanier · Nov 07, 2011, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by paranon

Most casters in PvE ball themselves up

Err, not really. I'v actually been looking out for this because iv specifically been testing the effectiveness of panic in general teambuilds. While there are some occassions where casters will bunch up, they will more often then not be too spread out on aggro for panic to work properly.

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Originally Posted by paranon

Whether meta builds are overrated is partially up to your own opinion, but they are all very effective at what they set out to do

This is mostly true and I am not denying it. I feel like meta builds are the "safe" way to have an effective team build because they don't require any testing (aka, people have already proven that they work). My point was that other builds and skill combinations work just as well or better than the meta ones, and that many creative builds aren't necessarily going to be bad.

Of course, I do recognize that there are many bad, yet creative, builds out there. This doesn't change the fact that there are also many effective non-meta builds out there (The UA healing build is another example of an inefficient meta build when compared to other, less common alternatives).

Premium Unleaded · Nov 07, 2011, 08:07 PM // 20:07

UA is a case of because most people are so bad enough at the game that the instant res is of tangible benefit.

paranon · Nov 07, 2011, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Err, not really. I'v actually been looking out for this because iv specifically been testing the effectiveness of panic in general teambuilds. While there are some occassions where casters will bunch up, they will more often then not be too spread out on aggro for panic to work properly.

This is mostly true and I am not denying it. I feel like meta builds are the "safe" way to have an effective team build because they don't require any testing (aka, people have already proven that they work). My point was that other builds and skill combinations work just as well or better than the meta ones, and that many creative builds aren't necessarily going to be bad.

Of course, I do recognize that there are many bad, yet creative, builds out there. This doesn't change the fact that there are also many effective non-meta builds out there (The UA healing build is another example of an inefficient meta build when compared to other, less common alternatives).

Meta builds provide an efficient way to tackle pretty much any content in the game, obviously for each area changes can be made (ineptitude against mass melee, panic against mass caster, etc). But from my experience, there are very few, if any, creative and new builds that are more effective than meta builds for anything other than incredibly niche tasks. I would love to be proven wrong but at this stage in the game i don't think that there are any more skill combinations to be found that stand up to the meta.

Lanier · Nov 07, 2011, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded

UA is a case of because most people are so bad enough at the game that the instant res is of tangible benefit.

I could go into my rant as to why UA is bad and even bad people would be better if they used a better elite... but i wont, because I have already done so on these forums many, many times. Even in predominately prot builds where UA is slightly better (as opposed to in heal builds), I would far rather my monk bring one of the other available elites.