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kuwlij · Apr 28, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

I would like to share my views and see what all you gurus have to say about this. I currenlty am playing Ele in PvE and have unlocked ranger, monk , mesmer and necro secondary professions. To me it seems that especially for the professions based on spellcasting, elementalist would be an ideal 1st proff to support your secondary profession mostly due to energy managment and higher energy pool.

An example. Eles are formidable nukers but i have also tested a healer build with monk secondary. With ele as 1st it seems like i can heal for ages non-stop due to the large energy pool available. while being healer i can also carry say meteor shower to help in those tough situations

I was gona try my go at minion mastery but that justs got nerfd

I'm not saying you can go and FoW easier with an ele healer than a monk healer or that you can tank or be 55 better then their respective 1st profs for which their built on but while you're on the ele profession it seems to be a good versatile profession that can adapt to complement the second profession better.
so far i have successfully played the following standard builds on the ele:

Echo nuker (mesmer 2nd)
tank (with enchantments, pure ele)
55 ele (monk)
healer (monk)
runner (ranger)
power leveler (with enchantments, pure ele)

I Dont think warrior is even worth unlocking with ele 1st maybe their the least compatible professions since warrior's usefilness comes from the armor and the fact that it doesn't have to rely alot on energy to be effective. warrior second to ele would be a waste:-/

Eaimirth Etaivella · Apr 29, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Eles get ether prodigy; only skill really worth playing them for anymore.

Vermilion Okeanos · Apr 29, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

The only thing is, people still prefer primary doing their job at what they are best at.

Yes, ele can play practically any role. From shooting with bow using barrage to life stealing everything that move. The only few things ele can't do well is summoning minions and maybe a few other.

However, ele are the lower grade of everything (except spaming energy, which is basically their only role now). Which made it pointless, aside having fun.

cookiemonkie · Apr 29, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

In terms of team play. Any secondary for the ele would work including warrior. Conceptually a secondary profession would mean that only a couple of skills on the tool bar are of the secondary profession to fill in the "holes" need to complement the team. Sprint works, shields up is another for the ele to use. Earth Ele builds could use bonnetti's from the warrior secondary.

Once you reach the high level areas and pvp, you'll see why the Ele primary offensive skills are among the least desired / used in the game.

Ira Blinks · Apr 29, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

any of the things listed can be done by some other profession for twice less hassle, so why bother...

carbajac · Apr 29, 2006, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Wow, you guys are harsh to the Elementalists. Sure, I agree, the Elementalists have the short end of the stick. Every profession has the ability to either cripple or defend against an Elementalists attacks, while we Elementalists just stand there and take it. Elementalists are versatile, they can do many things, just like every other profession, but they are good at what they do, taking huge chunks of damage from other players, or using the Water skills to hinder other players. Playing an Elementalist as a runner or healer is fine, but that's not really the job of the Elementalist.

As for the ciriticisms of the elementalist, I have these responses:
In higher level areas and PvP, Elementalists offensive skills are used a lot. Sure, other casters can't use Meteor Shower or Earthquake, but that's because they cost 25 energy, not gonna happen when you only have about 40-50 max energy. What about the W/E who uses Shock? The Me/E who uses Gale? Obsidian Flame, Blinding Flash, Blurred Vision, Ice Spikes, etc. Watch a top rated Guild Battle or Championship Match, you'll see that an Elementalist offensive skills are used a lot. If you're taking a team to FoW (and not doing chest runs or something like that), you're gonna need those Fire Elementalists running around.
This is just for the offensive skills, support and defensive skills are used too. Windbourne Speed in an HoH battle, Wards, and (as already mentioned) Ether Prodigy.

The Elementalist is not a useless class, they're not always as straight forward as someone might think.

cookiemonkie · Apr 29, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

You've just proven what the ele is by listing skills like shock and gale. Ele's are good for a few utility and defensive skills, other classes do a better job at providing offensive firepower.

All round versatility.. Hard to beat the ranger which has higher armor, interupts and expertise to reduce the cost of skills.

Lord Cooper · Apr 29, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

ive been saying this for ages.. eles are so versatile.. they can nuke spike heal tank whatever you name it a good ele can do it. there is an ele build for practically every job.

can any other profession say the same?

carbajac · Apr 29, 2006, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Fine, if you want to say that "Ele's are good for a few utility and defensive skills...", ok. Still, an Elementalists offensive skills are often used and invaluable.

K.Ichigo · Apr 29, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I wouldn't say they're invaluable...

Ira Blinks · Apr 29, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

i would say rather useless apart from killing bunch of npc monks...

Metallica1026 · Apr 30, 2006, 06:21 AM // 06:21

well i currently have a ele/mo20 and he is the one guy who is gettin attacked in gvg..why..cuz he does wut the other clases dream of doin..i nuke the crap outta enemys...multiple targets at a time..no other class can do 108 dmg off 1 spell to 3-4 targets..eles are hard to play..u have to be able to move about and self heal in case ur are getin attacked by 2-3 pple.. and be able to nuke... so if yall wanna test my theory..the pm me harlix fire ele.. and i'll scrimage you 1on1..

Xasew · Apr 30, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by Metallica1026

well i currently have a ele/mo20 and he is the one guy who is gettin attacked in gvg..why..cuz he does wut the other clases dream of doin..i nuke the crap outta enemys...multiple targets at a time..no other class can do 108 dmg off 1 spell to 3-4 targets..eles are hard to play..u have to be able to move about and self heal in case ur are getin attacked by 2-3 pple.. and be able to nuke... so if yall wanna test my theory..the pm me harlix fire ele.. and i'll scrimage you 1on1..

You must be joking. If you can hit 3-4 targets with 1 spell, it just means that the other team is full of henchies/noobs. Eles don't have self-heals, which means you're using Monk skills to heal yourself. The only heals an E/Mo should be taking is Heal Other and Heal Party. Healing Breeze in case you're the runner. Let the Monks do the healing.
Also, Fire is extremely weak in GvG. And 108 damage? What spells are you using? Rodgort's is ~127+burning...

kuwlij · Apr 30, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Xasew

Eles don't have self-heals, which means you're using Monk skills to heal yourself.

yes they do although it's not healing like healing breeze or troll ungent. I like to keep energy attrib at Lvl 11 and Aura of restoration gives me back 350% the cost of energy in hp, so if you use a high energy spell using 25energy you are healed for 88 and your dealing damage at the same time (probably to alot of ppl). Also, ether renewal heals 17 HP and 3 energy on each enchantment on you each time you cast at the same energy atrib level.

RazielFirestorm · May 03, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

this debate has been going on for a long long time from thread to thread, lots of people will always think eles are useless because they dont get what they want from an ele.
if this were the case eles wouldnt be going to fow and as for gvg? take a look at the high ranked teams you will see an ele in most if not all the top 20 guilds. yes ok eles arent primary dmg dealers compared to warriors etc but they do a good job when you wnat a spike to finish some1 off. and they may not be the best monk, but they didnt nerf hp spamming in allinace battles because monks were using it, eles support just fine.
you may ignore what iv just said if you wish but what i think the guy who started this thread is gettting at is eles are able to use their 2nd class better than most others can a lot of the time so they can do a few jobs fine where a different class could only do 1 properly. eles arent useless nor are they the best at anything however they are well rounded and a lot of the times play important roles in teams.

LightningHell · May 04, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

I wouldn't say we think Ellys are useless. If they were we wouldn't be playing them.

We just think they're lower-caste, except for Ether Prodigy (Which OWNS!).

Francis Crawford · May 04, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Elementalists rock in Factions, because of the narrow spaces and large mobs.

At least, so it seems based on a limited amount of play.

I've had a lot of success both nuking and warding.

Hengist Meldanash · May 04, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Lord Cooper

ive been saying this for ages.. eles are so versatile.. they can nuke spike heal tank whatever you name it a good ele can do it. there is an ele build for practically every job.

can any other profession say the same?

Mesmers

Enough said.

c33sh0nd · May 04, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

ele is good because they have a big mana pool

mesmer... doesnt

well not more then any other, and a ele doesnt need to waste space on alot of mana recovery stuff which a mesmer would if you would stick them as say a healer

Avarre · May 04, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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most versatile 1st profession?

The mesmer board is a few buttons down from the ele one