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Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 28, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15

Even anet would not hit it quite that hard with the nerfbat lol.

ubermancer · Dec 28, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by makosi

somewhere in this thread, somene will say "omg lern 2 counter".

^^^

Found it!

S_Serpent · Dec 28, 2006, 10:57 AM // 10:57

This is laughable, ever single time my guildies and I see SF eles in HA, we /bow because they just will give us free fame. The only times SF team will get further then round 2 is when there are no other teams then SF in round 2. That's how bad SF is, it actually could use a buff!

But like always fear the whiners because they are the true nerfers and sadly a.net was blind botted by an ele so they can't she the bs these whiners are talking about.

Anyway, awaiting the nerf we can start and say goodbye to all eles again.

Lets make a poll:
1 What profession has seen the most nerfs?
there is only one answer on (even before a possible SF nerf): Eles

2 And therefore have become obsolete professions according to the manual description? JACKPOT, Eles again

baz777 · Dec 28, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

SF does not need changing!

All this, once again, is instigated by people in the PVP community who should really look at their own builds and tactics but are too lazy and are running around like headless chickens with their backsides on fire.

Plenty of teams in HA easily beating SF teams, ask them nicely and they may tell you how. Even better work it out yourself

Quit complaining and learn to adapt and improve your own game!

S_Serpent · Dec 28, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Maybe we should make a post and ask A.net to BUFF Searing Flames, so all the whiners would have a VALID reason that it is overpowered.

It clearly isn't overpowered as HoH demonstrates, just check it, you hardly see SF in HoH

ensoriki · Dec 28, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Blinding surge needs a higher recharge
blinding flash was bad enough

Searing flames should be more pvp oriented

Sandstorm is fine (although attacking in it, is a Sure fire death...which makes it a DAMAGE dealer.....well its a DOT one anyways...)

Searing flames should be tweaked allitle

Sandstorm is Power like an ele should be, but just run away from it

Blinding surge is nuts....Can't tolerate that skill

Now I have to bring a constant Blind removal on my sin...which is lame since as an assassin you should be trained to kill by sound and crap... *gah go figure....a silent assassin can't see so he's lame)

I actually think sandstorm should be buffed so that when it ends all adjacent foes are blinded (sounds cheap but its a Sandstorm..)

Anyhow, eles arent cheap (except for Blinding surge, and the fact Searing should be PVE oriented)

BSSuperman · Dec 28, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

What the heck are you talking about?? Skills dont get 'adjusted' for PVE they get addressed and rebalanced in relation to how they are being used in PvP. Think of blind as a 'melee' counter - your assassin has been blinded 'and' deafened. That make it easier to swallow? /a spoon full of suger makes the medicine go down, medicine go down, medicine go down.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 28, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I love how everyone says the PvP community complains and they just need to find counters, but 90% of the people that say that aren't PvPers. Go figure. Blinding surge is pretty crazy, but this topic is on searing flames I'm pretty sure. Again, at the people saying how easy it is to beat in HA, that is because the people that run it are retards, not because it isn't overpowered.

mage767 · Dec 29, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I personally find SF/GG a very powerful combination, and even if it is nerfed, it is still possible to use a suitable secondary to boost up this combination to original effect. So, a nerf may not really help.

However, mesmers have repeatedly shut my sweet ele ass down - I did get mad a bit, but then I adapted to deal with mesmers, albeit somewhat effective. This game is all about counters. So, stop whining and start experimenting with builds from other professions that can counter SF. Every professional has 100+ skills and most players don't even use more than 20% of what's available. They just stick their head into what's popular.

By the way, people who create a new ELE to obtain fame using SF/GG build are just idiots. If you were a warrior and now you use an ELE,it pretty much speaks how much of a NOOB you are - and that's how the number of ELES in PVP may have increased when noobs start using this SF/GG build. Instead of understanding the threat, you add to the threat even more and a chain reaction develops that threatens the very nature of the ELE profession.

So, the bottom line is...if you are NOT an ELE, grow up to find a counter for your profession, and stop whining like bitches.

If you ARE an ELE, expect a nerf coming up because idiots will ruin the game for us. Better, if you are like me, enjoy various other ELE builds for a change. There ARE stronger ELE builds than SF/GG but I'm not ready to share it with noobs who whines all day.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 29, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by mage767

I personally find SF/GG a very powerful combination, and even if it is nerfed, it is still possible to use a suitable secondary to boost up this combination to original effect. So, a nerf may not really help.

However, mesmers have repeatedly shut my sweet ele ass down - I did get mad a bit, but then I adapted to deal with mesmers, albeit somewhat effective. This game is all about counters. So, stop whining and start experimenting with builds from other professions that can counter SF. Every professional has 100+ skills and most players don't even use more than 20% of what's available. They just stick their head into what's popular.

By the way, people who create a new ELE to obtain fame using SF/GG build are just idiots. If you were a warrior and now you use an ELE,it pretty much speaks how much of a NOOB you are - and that's how the number of ELES in PVP may have increased when noobs start using this SF/GG build. Instead of understanding the threat, you add to the threat even more and a chain reaction develops that threatens the very nature of the ELE profession.

So, the bottom line is...if you are NOT an ELE, grow up to find a counter for your profession, and stop whining like bitches.

If you ARE an ELE, expect a nerf coming up because idiots will ruin the game for us. Better, if you are like me, enjoy various other ELE builds for a change. There ARE stronger ELE builds than SF/GG but I'm not ready to share it with noobs who whines all day.

That post shows that you probably don't know jack about PvP. Anyone above about r1 isn't one profession, they play whatever the team needs. So they're not an ele or a warrior, they're just a player. Also, in the fire line, there is no build more powerful than SF.

mage767 · Dec 29, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

That post shows that you probably don't know jack about PvP. Anyone above about r1 isn't one profession, they play whatever the team needs. So they're not an ele or a warrior, they're just a player. Also, in the fire line, there is no build more powerful than SF.

You idiot, I played more PvP than the average Guild Wars players and yes, there ARE builds stronger than fire. Readmy post again, then complain. I didn't talk about fire line specifically. There is earth which is easily better than and can counter ANY fire build. This just shows your mini-brain knowledge of the ELE profession.

There is no need to take revenge for my post. I just stated the facts, and only a noob like you would want to write something back without any proof. I will say this again: MY KNOWLEDGE OF ELE is far superior than yours and I hope I meetyou in AB/HA soon so that I can get to kick your ass personally.

P.S. I like your nick...it tells me a lot about you!

Mouse at Large · Dec 29, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Enough of the flaming plz (unless it's an un-nerfed SF/GG combo

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Francis Crawford · Dec 29, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by S_Serpent

It clearly isn't overpowered as HoH demonstrates, just check it, you hardly see SF in HoH

And wouldn't HoH be the best of all possible PvP environments for SF (because of the enforced proximity of the players)??

Thom Bangalter · Dec 29, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by mage767

I personally find SF/GG a very powerful combination, and even if it is nerfed, it is still possible to use a suitable secondary to boost up this combination to original effect. So, a nerf may not really help.

However, mesmers have repeatedly shut my sweet ele ass down - I did get mad a bit, but then I adapted to deal with mesmers, albeit somewhat effective. This game is all about counters. So, stop whining and start experimenting with builds from other professions that can counter SF. Every professional has 100+ skills and most players don't even use more than 20% of what's available. They just stick their head into what's popular.

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So, the bottom line is...if you are NOT an ELE, grow up to find a counter for your profession, and stop whining like bitches.

If you ARE an ELE, expect a nerf coming up because idiots will ruin the game for us. Better, if you are like me, enjoy various other ELE builds for a change. There ARE stronger ELE builds than SF/GG but I'm not ready to share it with noobs who whines all day.

sigh. Your arguments are invalid on multiple levels. Yes there are counters for searing flames. That does not mean that the skill itself is balanced. You know what messed up searing flames? They didn't test any skills before launch because they wanted to hit the release date on time.

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By the way, people who create a new ELE to obtain fame using SF/GG build are just idiots. If you were a warrior and now you use an ELE,it pretty much speaks how much of a NOOB you are - and that's how the number of ELES in PVP may have increased when noobs start using this SF/GG build. Instead of understanding the threat, you add to the threat even more and a chain reaction develops that threatens the very nature of the ELE profession.

Um, what? People only play 1 class now?

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You idiot, I played more PvP than the average Guild Wars players and yes, there ARE builds stronger than fire. Readmy post again, then complain. I didn't talk about fire line specifically. There is earth which is easily better than and can counter ANY fire build. This just shows your mini-brain knowledge of the ELE profession.

Name calling gets you nowhere. And no, the earth line does not counter searing flames.

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MY KNOWLEDGE OF ELE is far superior than yours personally.

No, it's not.

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Originally Posted by Gimmemoneyplzkthx

Again, at the people saying how easy it is to beat in HA, that is because the people that run it are retards, not because it isn't overpowered.

This is true.

mage767 · Dec 30, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

In answer to the comments above:

Multiple levels invalidity? Can you show me level by level how it is invalid? Look who's invalid now! I see logic in your words how A-net did not have time to test, but I knew that the moment I picked up my copy of Guild wars at stores!

I didn't SAY ANYWHERE EXPLICITLY that anyone plays one profession now. I was simply giving an example how some W/X bitch about E/X, where the latter use SF/GG to their advantage. Get it?

*Cough* The Earth line cannot counter searing flames? *Coughs again*. Did you ever play the earth line? *Coughs thrice* Stone striker, Armor of Earth for defence, and pick your favorite skills for offense.....do I need to say more? A well developed Earth Ele can own any fire ele. If I'm invalid here (which you love to say), can you prove it?

My Knowledge > (Gimmemoneyplzkthx). Do you want me to add you too? Do not butt in other people's business.

Thom Bangalter · Dec 30, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by mage767

*Cough* The Earth line cannot counter searing flames? *Coughs again*. Did you ever play the earth line? *Coughs thrice* Stone striker, Armor of Earth for defence, and pick your favorite skills for offense.....do I need to say more? A well developed Earth Ele can own any fire ele. If I'm invalid here (which you love to say), can you prove it?

yes, stone striker and armor of earth are excellent skills for GvG. If you're sub-1000 and have no idea how to do anything.

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My Knowledge > (Gimmemoneyplzkthx). Do you want me to add you too? Do not butt in other people's business.

Sure, if you want. I haven't found anything in this thread that he's posted that I disagree with.

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However, mesmers have repeatedly shut my sweet ele ass down - I did get mad a bit, but then I adapted to deal with mesmers, albeit somewhat effective. This game is all about counters. So, stop whining and start experimenting with builds from other professions that can counter SF. Every professional has 100+ skills and most players don't even use more than 20% of what's available. They just stick their head into what's popular.

Yes, mesmers do that. Just because diversion>every other skill, does not mean a skill is balanced.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 30, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by mage767

my Knowledge > (Gimmemoneyplzkthx). Do you want me to add you too? Do not butt in other people's business.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'd respond in depth, but I think thom pretty much said it all for me. Who ever said eles would be 1v1? You seem to think people play one profession, and you're counting counters in profession vs. profession. You have no idea of team dynamics.

mage767 · Dec 30, 2006, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I'd respond in depth, but I think thom pretty much said it all for me. Who ever said eles would be 1v1? You seem to think people play one profession, and you're counting counters in profession vs. profession. You have no idea of team dynamics.

And you have no idea about how to interpret people's comments. I did NOT SAY ANYWHERE that it is 1vs1. It is your own dumb imagination! So stop taking things out of context.

I find it so amusing that you spam shit about me (accusing me of no idea about team dynamics) when you haven't even played against me! Stop being a moron, and in return I will stop talking about you.

I will say this again, SF/GG ELE are strong, but not the best. Earth/Water/Air ELE can own them anytime thanks to better armor for these sub-classes. I want A-net to NERF the shit out of Fire ELE so that noobs like you suffer like bitches in the hands of other professions and other ELE builds.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Dec 30, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

*sigh* tis too bad SF is on it's way for a very heavy nerf.. We eles will be pwned again, by, well, everything..unless we go flash/surge bot -.- well.. GG ANet GG..

Oh and mage... please go somewhere and just.. jump... off.. SF is overpowered, the sad thing, is that it is the only powerful enough skill to make fire eles usefull in mainstream PvP, save the build that I like to use.. And just because someone does not agree with you gives you no right to curse at them or directly insult them, so please have some manners. mmk? bye bye

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Dec 30, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by mage767

And you have no idea about how to interpret people's comments. I did NOT SAY ANYWHERE that it is 1vs1. It is your own dumb imagination! So stop taking things out of context.

I find it so amusing that you spam shit about me (accusing me of no idea about team dynamics) when you haven't even played against me! Stop being a moron, and in return I will stop talking about you.

I will say this again, SF/GG ELE are strong, but not the best. Earth/Water/Air ELE can own them anytime thanks to better armor for these sub-classes. I want A-net to NERF the shit out of Fire ELE so that noobs like you suffer like bitches in the hands of other professions and other ELE builds.

You're not talking about 1v1, and then you proceed to mention how earth/water/air has better armor? I admit that I did somewhat mis-speak. What I meant was you *seem* to be talking 1v1 damage, assuming the SF ele is going to be stupid enough to attack another ele with an armor buffing (or anti-flame) enchantment on them. This is not the case (usually... lawl), and as far as I can tell the only situation where they would would occur in 1v1. From your posts, you definitely do not understand team dynamics. I do not "spam shit" about you, I merely make non-inflammatory replies stating facts, or at least my opinion. As for your last comment about anet nerfing fire eles, I do not understand wtf you said or what it is supposed to mean, thus I cannot formulate a reply.