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Just Plain Fluffy
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Guild: Idiot Savants
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I think Searing Flames needs a slight nerf to the damage, but nothing more. It's not a very strong character in general but a pack of them randomly wins games from the constant SF.
This thread is turning into comedic gold btw, keep it up. Peace, -CxE
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Increasing the recharge to three or four seconds, or reducing the damage some would bring this skill into balance.
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:12 AM // 04:12
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Dec 2006
Guild: Pop
Profession: E/
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Eles Fear mesmers and Rangers. Compared to the way eles used to be, it sure as hell doesn't need a nerf. You'll hopefully adapted to be smarter about fighting them rather than coming on the forums and ranting
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:12 AM // 04:12
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27
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2) So you're saying that people usually pack alot of disruption for melee because the damage is so high. If people aren't running alot of elementalist disruption, then why not take full advantage of it? When I was using Invoke Lightning earlier, it was hitting 156 damage vs a 60al target at 18 air. Thats hardly a pittance. 3) That's assuming hes not shutdown with all the anti-warrior things people run. 4) Most elementalists also have more than one damage skill. 5) I was clearly wrong on this point, although the elementalist can just cast SF again, and of course there is the burning. 6) Fail. 7) Please define what it means to be a "troll" and show me where I have "trolled." 8) I suppose you could say that. 9) It's easy to miss something that isn't there  I would also like to copy a segment from the "Why Nuking Sucks" post, it is as follows: *AoEing the shit out of things* It's nigh impossible to calculate how much damage you can deal with AoE because it's entirely dependant upon how many people you can get into the AoE. The big issue here is the energy. A fire elementalist can easily consume 10+ pips of energy regeneration every minute. The upside is that they can realistically dish out enough damage to be worth that investment if they can get it. A character that kicks out 6 Fireballs, 3 Incendiary Bonds, and 3 Rodgort's Invocations in a minute, at a cost of 180 energy (9 pips), assuming he can get a second target on half of his Fireballs or Bonds and hits ~2.5 people with a Rodgorts, is dishing out 2845 damage, a perfectly acceptable number for a nuker. The problems, then, are being able to find enough targets fast enough to get good returns out of the AoE, and the ridiculous energy concerns of this character. As this segment says, elementalists can churn out a very nice sum of damage, the problem is mainly energy management. In just his example there, the elementalist does 2845 damage in a minute, requiring 9 pips to maintain. There's this one skill I'm very fond of called Ether Prodigy. Elementalists have some of the best energy management in the game for a reason. Last edited by JimmyDean; Dec 20, 2006 at 04:42 AM // 04:42.. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MO
Profession: E/Mo
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I demand a battle rap. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:48 AM // 04:48
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Dec 20, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Singapore
Guild: Seers of Serpents [SoS]
Profession: R/
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Learn to counter, learn to play.
SF in: 1)PvE: Who cares? Mobs? 2)PvP: No one is telling you to use the "Lets bunch up for SF!" shout. If you cant to learn accomodate conditions in your team builds and learn to spread, dont borther to PvP. Theres plenty more counters and instead of wasting time aruging for a nerf here, it would perhaps serve you better to experiement with them. Last edited by Thallandor; Dec 20, 2006 at 05:11 AM // 05:11.. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Apr 2006
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2) The tradeoff for not having to rely on energy is that you have to rely on adrenaline, it's very simple. 3) Warrior hate is far more abundant and easier to apply than draining 60+ energy from an elementalist. Not to mention elementalists have numerous skills to help manage thier energy. 4) Searing Flames elementalists have been known to run more than just Searing Flames and Glowing gaze. 5) Burning can translate directly into damage, and is nice vs high al targets. If that monk is removing your burning, big deal, put it back on. Make him expend his precious energy. 6) Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. A troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse and to provoke other members into hostility. I hate to say it, but the only flaming/trolling I see is from you guys :\ 7) No relevence whatsoever, but interesting, I suppose. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Singapore
Guild: Seers of Serpents [SoS]
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If a counter for a skill/build is not enough for you, then you perhaps are playing the wrong game, buddy. Please dont use SF to justify your own attention seeking excuses, its will only bring flames and similarly closure. Edit: ^ to your post above. So what is your involvement in this thread now? A good will informer? Telling us to cry less when it happens? Woah thank you for your participation. Last edited by Thallandor; Dec 20, 2006 at 05:27 AM // 05:27.. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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2) Then why would you suggest that the elementalist would have his energy drained? Regardless of whether or not many of the energy management skills are deemed "unusable" by some, there are still good skills that you can use for energy management. 3) You make it sound like dealing huge AoE damage is a bad thing -- an elementalist can support it. 4) Signet of Remedy and Signet of Malice are self only. If you see guys spamming these, then you should obviously target someone else. 5) I think you misunderstood what I was saying. If you simply approach it in a logical manner, you will clearly see what I mean. All things have a counter. That's the nature of Guild Wars. That means that balanced skills have counters, as do overpowered skills. Therefore, if one were to say that a skill is not overpowered because it has a counter, it would also imply that all skills that have counters are not overpowered; since all skills have a counter, making them balanced, that would imply that no skill has every been overpowered, which obviously isn't true. Please stop using this irrational argument as justification. Last edited by JimmyDean; Dec 20, 2006 at 05:46 AM // 05:46.. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MO
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At this point there's nothing more to discuss, so it's more fun to post stuff stolen from the internet.
Warriors are more effective pressure than sf eles and they can cause disruption too. |
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Dec 20, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57
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2) In coventional builds, yes. 3) It depends on the battlefield. We use Jade to take advantage of the AoE we use in our build. If you dont have a choice but to have some of your people fighting on that bridge or stairwell, we're going to hit multiple people with our skills. 4) Again, back to the monk expending his energy to remove burning. If I were to run Searing Flames, I wouldn't target the person way off in the corner with no additional nearby targets; I'm going to be dropping that bomb where it will cause the most damage. He can remove my burning all day long and I'm fine with that. It just means he has less energy to heal his party as the battle continues. Also, in regards to Searing Flames costing 15 and Mend costing 5, monks dont get attunements, glowing gaze, or a monstrous energy pool. 5) The elementalist doesnt need to risk taking double damage while being so far forward in order to wreak havoc. It's a simple tradeoff. Not to mention I wouldnt be caught dead spamming frenzy up there, even with Protective Spirit. Shatter, Spiritual Pain, Anything = GG Last edited by JimmyDean; Dec 20, 2006 at 06:01 AM // 06:01.. |
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