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anonymous · May 23, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by byteme!

That's not new or unique.

Just because something is new and unique doesn't mean it is good. Most of the time it is better to go with tried and true builds.

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Originally Posted by Longasc

It does not break PvE by being totally imbalanced and instead offers some new ways to play for Elementalists..

Last I checked unlimited energy was imbalanced. But its PvE and you don't see NPCs whining on the forums so it must be balanced!

isamu kurosawa · May 23, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Tyla

(Speaking of which, GOGO ELEWAY?!?!!)

Had a go this morning running 3 ether renewal air ele's (2 with heal, 1 with prots) and a 4th fueling rodgorts + prots.

I was one of the air ele's and heroes heroes played the other roles. Worked well but hero AI can be a bit iffy with it sometimes. Was fun to play on my ele again though. especially binding heroes lightning hammers to cast as i Lorb a foe

ccruzp · May 23, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Just because something is new and unique doesn't mean it is good. Most of the time it is better to go with tried and true builds.Last I checked unlimited energy was imbalanced. But its PvE and you don't see NPCs whining on the forums so it must be balanced!

I do think Soul reaping is imbalanced, you have infinite energy by specing like 8 points into it in pve and its passive. Ether renewal makes you waste a elite, spec half your attributes in estorage, most of the build we see here waste half their bar to keep if up and fuel its ench requirement and you have to waste 1/10th of your time refreshing it, it does open a lot of room for gimmics but its not totally imbalanced (well, for pve).

Taurus · May 23, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Omg dude, epic awesomeness.
Post that on you laugh you lose, NOW !

Yichi · May 23, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by ccruzp

...spec half your attributes in estorage...

wait ele's don't run around with at least 9 e-storage? /newz2me...

Axel Zinfandel · May 23, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by kicks66

I dont understand this one, how does it do any sort of damage?

Hey, I never said it was a good build, it's just interesting to play.

Axel Zinfandel · May 23, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by ccruzp

I do think Soul reaping is imbalanced, you have infinite energy by specing like 8 points into it in pve and its passive. Ether renewal makes you waste a elite, spec half your attributes in estorage, most of the build we see here waste half their bar to keep if up and fuel its ench requirement and you have to waste 1/10th of your time refreshing it, it does open a lot of room for gimmics but its not totally imbalanced (well, for pve).

In most ER cases I've heard thusfar, (E/Rt and E/Mo Healers/Prot in mind), Any elite a necro running the same bar would chose to use is far inferior then actually GAINING 3 energy when spamming 5 energy heals. The only skill you need to accompany it is Aura of Restoration (which, with ER, actually nets you a fair ammount of health while spamming said skills).

You don't even need to fully maintain this, and it's no immediate threat if it gets stripped either, because in all honesty, if you're spending over 100 energy healing your party, you should probably quit lol.

Esan · May 24, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by edwinna elbert

You want 300 healing per second?

[Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Vigorous spirit][Healing Breeze][Infuse Health]

You're healed for ~150 eath time you infuse, fueling the next infuse.

Ether Renewal heals before Infuse Health halves your health, so you'll always be at half health as you spam Infuse. That's quite a deal breaker for a silly gimmick.

Fireblaster · May 24, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

[Ether renewal][life bond][balthazar's spirit][aura of restoration][protective spirit][heal other][reversal of fortune]

Energy storage: 11+1+X
Heal:11
Prot: 8

Avatar Exico · May 24, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

of their way to get Ether Rewenal recharge down. Get a Bonder, Bond yourself to keep yourself healed use Ether Rewenal. With the bonder having Holy Wrath and Reb. Have 7secs of high healing and energy to keep the dmg going. Idk if this way is possible for 600hp Ele with a Smiter.

la_cabra_de_vida · May 24, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

[ether renewal][aura of restoration][zealot's fire][balthazar's aura][smite hex][reversal of fortune][draw conditions][resurrection signet]

good old smite build.

Steps_Descending · May 24, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Took me 3 min to notice the gun... lol

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Last I checked unlimited energy was imbalanced. But its PvE and you don't see NPCs whining on the forums so it must be balanced!

Calm down a bit you sound like you just spent 5 hours in RA.
DIfference is that unlimited energy doesn't give god mode or an instant-kill for any mob in the game. Basically allow to vast the most expensive spells, who are also the most powerfull. DIfference : at the cost of your elite : we can now use the Quake+Dragon stomp+Met shower+Balthazar aura combo or use prot heavy+nuke (do you consider that god mode?). Will that break the game?

Edited for english error

Grammar · May 25, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

^^^
Nope, he's right, it's imbalanced. Incredibly so, actually.
How could you possibly think that infinite energy isn't imbalanced?

Like I said, this opens the door for all kinds of shenanigans in PvE.
Sure, it'll be fun as hell to play around with, I'll admit that, but it's clearly unbalanced.

acerbity · May 25, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by anonymous

Last I checked unlimited energy was imbalanced. But its PvE and you don't see NPCs whining on the forums so it must be balanced!

Yeah, funny how Ursan is incredibly unbalanced and we get people complaining about that. Not this though, thats weird isn't it?

Fireblaster · May 25, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Don't nerf Ursan! Nerf the eles!

Longasc · May 25, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

I wonder how long it takes till people ask for ER healers. This is probably the best use for ER.

If I use Rodgort with Mind Blast or Rodgort with Ether Renewal and some other skills does not make much difference, both keep energy up and running.

It also works well with Air Magic, you can spam Lightning Orbs e.g. forever. Still, this is nowhere as powerful as just having two rangers with splinter weapon tear through the Destroyers. I did it yesterday, finally finished EOTN with my Ele.

shru · May 25, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

The point is, running ether renewal offers no benefit over dual attunement when you're running a standard nuker bar, but the ability to cast any spell in the game and get your energy return just makes it an amazing elite (considering you can keep it up perm with a 20% ench wep and [glyph of swiftness]).

I've been having loads of fun with my ele since the buff, typically with the /rt /mo healers.
tbh what good is an elite like [word of healing] when you can spam [heal other] on recharge and still have energy to mash [heal party].

I've been running stuff like this for the most part [build name="ether renewal healer" prof=E/mo healingprayers=12 energystorage=12+1+1 airmagic=3+1][heal other][jamei's gaze][heal party][vigorous spirit][glyph of swiftness][ether renewal][aura of restoration][res chant][/build]Casting the heal party+heal other+gaze should cost you 35 energy and return 36 when you have renewal, aura, and your monk ench on you. (swap vig spirit for dwayna's sorrow when running minion master/minion bombers.)

IDK if it's optimal, but I can't see what else you'd change when you're spamming your skills on recharge with virtually no downside.

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testing prot/heal hybrids atm, as dup skills+vig sprit just seem a waste of space atm.

Vann Borakul · May 25, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by shru

The point is, running ether renewal offers no benefit over dual attunement when you're running a standard nuker bar, but the ability to cast any spell in the game and get your energy return just makes it an amazing elite (considering you can keep it up perm with a 20% ench wep and [glyph of swiftness]).

I've been having loads of fun with my ele since the buff, typically with the /rt /mo healers. And since the cry of pain buff, I've also toyed around with that on my ele.
tbh what good is an elite like [word of healing] when you can spam [heal other] on recharge and still have energy to mash [heal party].

I've been running stuff like this for the most part [build name="ether renewal healer" prof=E/mo healingprayers=12 energystorage=12+1+1 airmagic=3+1][heal other][jamei's gaze][heal party][vigorous spirit][glyph of swiftness][ether renewal][aura of restoration][res chant][/build]Casting the heal party+heal other+gaze should cost you 35 energy and return 36 when you have renewal, aura, and your monk ench on you. (swap vig spirit for dwayna's sorrow when running minion master/minion bombers.)

IDK if it's optimal, but I can't see what else you'd change when you're spamming your skills on recharge with virtually no downside.

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testing prot/heal hybrids atm, as dup skills+vig sprit just seem a waste of space atm.

How about PvE skills like Dwarven Armor/Weapon?

shru · May 25, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Vann Borakul

How about PvE skills like Dwarven Armor/Weapon?

I've been playing with this on my heroes, but running this on a player opens up a whole new world of skills to use.
[ebon battle standard of wisdom], [great dwarf weapon], [great dwarf armor] come to mind as especially good skills to use, thanks for pointing that out.

Edit: I'd try something like this for a player
[build name="ether renewal healer" prof=E/mo healingprayers=12 energystorage=12+1+1 airmagic=3+1][great dwarf weapon][jamei's gaze][heal party][great dwarf armor][ebon battle standard of wisdom][ether renewal][aura of restoration][res chant][/build]
Maintain great dwarf on any phys attackers, and armor on yourself any others you can, mash heal party on recharge, then spam jamie's/heal other on anyone still below 100%

Chthon · May 25, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

3 thoughts:

1. Protective Spirit? Effective even at low spec, and spammable with infinite energy.

2. If this build is taking over a monk's role, shouldn't we be thinking about dismiss + cure hex for removal?

3. Weapon? Req9 E-storage staff with inherent 20% HSR all spells, 10% HCT all spells head, 10% HCT all spells inscription, 20% enchanting wrap?