Curse

Rothan Celt · Oct 23, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

For me

Air Attunement
Ele attunement
Lightning hammer
lightning orb
Enervating charge if using enfeebiling take Stoneing
Blinding surge
Epidemic / Enfeebling blood

Last slot can be Ebon vanguard standard of honur > Rez> finish him

you can spike a target and cordinate the rest of ur team to follow that spike spreading conditions with epidemic shuts down large mobs of melee.

TheDarkshineKnight · Oct 24, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Test Me

The ele itself does not excel in anything and going as a full Mo, N or Me as suggested by previous people that posted here can provide far better support than an ele. An ele is pretty much a waste of a party slot these days in HM, better use another primary.

You just invalidated everything you ever said when you suggested that Mesmer is a superior primary to Elementalist in PvE. Mesmer as a primary is absolutely worthless, as there is nothing in Fast Casting worth using, and Fast Casting's benefits are generally non-existent in PvE. Energy Storage, on the other hand has Ether Renewal, Elemental Attunement, and actually grants some worthwhile benefits in PvE.

fgarvin · Oct 24, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Mr Emu

im a big fan of the AP Earth Nuker

AP
YMLaD (use with AP for discord)
Ward Melee (cuz you can have like 5 copies up at a time)
Churning (KD shit)
Eruption (Blind shit)
Optional x3 (note 2 pve slots)

Ran this last night in Frostmaw's and Raven's...awesome...except when you miss a kill with Assassin's Promise...then, well, not so awesome. Added GoLE and was pretty much able to spam Churning Earth and Eruption.

Mixie · Oct 24, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Elementalist role in hm? Teaching foes how to push the daisys up. Don`t mess with healing just because ele has e storage. Leave it to more healing competent classes.

payne · Oct 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by TheDarkshineKnight

You just invalidated everything you ever said . Mesmer as a primary is absolutely worthless in PvE, .

hmm...You just invalidated your own comment...

mesmers are worthless in PvE? only to an elitist pug who CANT play anything apart from lame
or frm someone who has never played the profession
or finally...someone who is just following other idiots opinions...mesmers are ace in PvE if you know how to use them....
<<<do one of the above then QQ

on-topic...lol:-

ele IMO in PvE HM:- snares or support with nuking and consta. burning from MoR with some nice nuking stuff...perhaps with a water snare?
<<what I used my hero eles in HM for spose same applys?

Mixie · Oct 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by fgarvin

except when you miss a kill with Assassin's Promise...then, well, not so awesome.

Ever heard of Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support? Try it and you`ll rarely miss. So, all you actually need is AP, mentioned sin bro, glyph of sacrifice and m shower.

TheDarkshineKnight · Oct 24, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by payne

hmm...You just invalidated your own comment...

mesmers are worthless in PvE? only to an elitist pug who CANT play anything apart from lame
or frm someone who has never played the profession
or finally...someone who is just following other idiots opinions...mesmers are ace in PvE if you know how to use them....
<<<do one of the above then QQ

on-topic...lol:-

ele IMO in PvE HM:- snares or support with nuking and consta. burning from MoR with some nice nuking stuff...perhaps with a water snare?
<<what I used my hero eles in HM for spose same applys?

Please, enlighten me then. What can Mesmers do that another class can't do better in PvE? You won't be able to come up with a valid answer, because the answer is nothing, other than some silly farming and running builds. Sure, in PvP, Mesmer's are great, but, this isn't PvP.

Mr Emu · Oct 26, 2008, 05:19 AM // 05:19

as far as I can tell, the only advantage mesmers have over anything is being able to run Cry+AP

TheDarkshineKnight · Oct 27, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Mr Emu

as far as I can tell, the only advantage mesmers have over anything is being able to run Cry+AP

Believe it or not, I actually didn't think about running Cry of Pain with Assassin's Promise. I'm sure it's a good little combo, but, I'm fairly certain there's better, as running Me/A means you basically lose out on having a second profession. The only Assassin skill you'd ever use is Assassin's Promise, so, you're essentially going to be using nothing but Mesmer skills, and that doesn't sound very viable to me, to be honest.

payne · Oct 27, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by TheDarkshineKnight

Please, enlighten me then. What can Mesmers do that another class can't do better in PvE? You won't be able to come up with a valid answer, because the answer is nothing, other than some silly farming and running builds. Sure, in PvP, Mesmer's are great, but, this isn't PvP.

NOTHING IS INFINITE - SO THE ANSWER IS INFINITE - THEREFORE NO ANSWER CAN BE MADE AS THERE IS TO MUCH TO LIST - some pilosophical crap I've picked up but seems applicable

please tell me what they can do better then other professions? all professions have certain things that no other profession can do (well atleast well) some of the mes hexes are deadly as hell...

only a truely ignorant person would state that....it comes down to how well you play the class to whether they are superior to other professions who bear resemblances to their class!
>>>>>>any class can do any other classes job...just not as well!

mesmers are one of if not the best hex class...first or second to necros...
there hexes are just as potent as some of the necro ones....VoR now its been buffed is superb...
there fast casting attribute can make them potent with fast cast nuking - which is quite sweet for some players
Mes can alter a fight better then most professions - albate monks and perhaps rangers - (with skill)
their PvE skills are also great!
they have the best interupt skills of all professions...they are better than rangers as there interupts require no line of sight and can shutdown any enemy with their range of impressive hexes / interupts / condition spreading!
THEY ARE FUN - thats something other professions aren't - well IMO

thats enough of a list IMO....

I know they are great, lots of other people know they are great...its just the people who either cba to play them before condeming them or those who haven't play them enough or aquired enough HM based titles to realise they are very potent in PVE with some skill and time put into them

ta ta

Tyla · Oct 27, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by payne

please tell me what they can do better then other professions? all professions have certain things that no other profession can do (well atleast well) some of the mes hexes are deadly as hell...

only a truely ignorant person would state that....it comes down to how well you play the class to whether they are superior to other professions who bear resemblances to their class!
>>>>>>any class can do any other classes job...just not as well!

Tell me, what effect does Fast Casting have when it can easily be replicated at the sacrifice of a PvE skill slot, but open an entire attribute to you that is useful?

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mesmers are one of if not the best hex class...first or second to necros...

No, they aren't. The only hexes worth bringing in PvE on a Mesmer are VoR, Arcane Conudrum, Wandering Eye and Clumsiness.

VoR, WE and Clums are all outclassed for the most part; one skill. Spiteful Spirit. Arcane Conundrum is heavily surpassed by BHA / Volley, which can also be used to spread blind and deep wound aswell; with the add on effect of interruption on hit.

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there hexes are just as potent as some of the necro ones....VoR now its been buffed is superb...

VoR is good, yes. It's only really better than SS when you're making the enemy miss over and over with their lead in a farming based build, though.

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there fast casting attribute can make them potent with fast cast nuking - which is quite sweet for some players

Mind Bender. Oh, and for the most part nuking is bad. The only decent version is CoP.

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Mes can alter a fight better then most professions - albate monks and perhaps rangers - (with skill)

why?

Divine Favour helps alot more than Fast Casting, and again; Mind Bender. Unless for some reason you find something other than Mind Bender, HB or SoL to run on your Monk bar.

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their PvE skills are also great!

Their primary attribute, however, is not. It's the same reason as Ritualists' small usage.

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they have the best interupt skills of all professions...they are better than rangers as there interupts require no line of sight and can shutdown any enemy with their range of impressive hexes / interupts / condition spreading!

Unless your Ranger is retarded, line of sight wouldn't be a problem. Oh, and tell me one Mesmer skill that outclasses BHA in any way.

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THEY ARE FUN - thats something other professions aren't - well IMO

That is an opinion and nothing but that. And for the most part; a fun build doesn't equate to an effective build.

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I know they are great, lots of other people know they are great...its just the people who either cba to play them before condeming them or those who haven't play them enough or aquired enough HM based titles to realise they are very potent in PVE with some skill and time put into them

ta ta

Bring up absolutely anything in the support of a Mesmer primary in PvE; I'll be glad to argue against that, but please god if you're going to continue this take it to the Mesmer forum where it belongs. Oh, and PvE doesn't take skill. If enemies weren't so predictable and actually had decent skill bars, intelligence on the mechanics and certain aspects of positioning, PvE would possibly become more interesting.

And to repeat, if you want to continue this discussion of how easy or hard PvE is, or the efficiency of Mesmers in PvE, take it to a different thread.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Oct 27, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

AP Eruption

some discord necros

nuff said

Super Igor · Oct 27, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Mmmm, nuking, desaling teh domogez.

Daesu · Oct 27, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by payne

[*]there fast casting attribute can make them potent with fast cast nuking - which is quite sweet for some players

Even if you forget Mindbender which takes a skill slot. Fast casting has also been cheapened by equipment like the 40/40 set.

Casting your spells 50% faster is equivalent to level 15 fast casting without needing a single point into the attribute and without runes or hp drawback.

That is why FC is so useless now.

Super Igor · Oct 27, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Daesu

MINDBENDUUUR IS HAWT!!!!!

<3 Mindbendur, espetially on a promise fire nukar.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Oct 27, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Mindbender takes up a PvE slot, would rather use my 40/40 set tbh means I can take more imba shit like snipah support

Super Igor · Oct 27, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Da Rk Bl Ad E

Mindbender takes up a PvE slot, would rather use my 40/40 set tbh means I can take more imba shit like snipah support

Nowai :O I liek minbendurz, they maek you run fastarr, but I like snipoorz too, lol, I liek by urals hammer too, and intensity, and elemntal lord, and ebsoh, and ymlad, ARGHHH!!! I lurve em all I want them all on my skillbar D: !!! *crys* QQ

Rothan Celt · Oct 27, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Nowai :O I liek minbendurz, they maek you run fastarr, but I like snipoorz too, lol, I liek by urals hammer too, and intensity, and elemntal lord, and ebsoh, and ymlad, ARGHHH!!! I lurve em all I want them all on my skillbar D: !!! *crys* QQ

Me thinks.....sarcasm? D:

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Oct 27, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

no , Igor is just crazee

It's kewl though :P

Super Igor · Oct 27, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Da Rk Bl Ad E

no , Igor is just crazee

No u, also, are you saying dat I cant has all those skiels on mah skielbar??? QQ