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Omg Im A Mage · Jul 31, 2009, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I have both a level 20 monk and level 20 ele, and am getting bored with playing each as they are meant to be played :P

I'm looking for an excellent build for an E/Mo. I don't want to just spam "heal party" because I have high energy, I'm looking for solid ideas about how to take advantage of an ele's high energy to create a top tier healer.

I'm thinking that Auro of Restoration is a must, I plan on taking Infuse Health and Healing Breeze, and would rather be a reactive/healing monk than a prot healer.

any ideas or discussion welcome

Shursh · Jul 31, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Sounds like you are describing an ether renewal infuse spammer:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/Mo_Ether_Healer

the main things are self-targettable enchants, ether renewal, and infuse. other stuff is optional depending on your party make-up. you won't have to worry about running out of energy ever because of the way ether renewal works.

Winterclaw · Jul 31, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Okay, depleting a ton of energy to heal is a bad idea. First of all, it isn't teaching you to manage your energy... which is something you're going to have to do once you've burnt your original store. Secondly protection is usually more effective and energy efficient than healing.

Another thing that is a bad idea is Healing Breeze. It's useful through about level 10-15 but once you start meeting slightly tougher mobs it loses its value really quick.

Best thing you could do if you ask me for PvE is to bring Aegis and chain it with your monks. Bring GoLE and HP and if your entire party is taking damage, you can spam HP twice, but other than that leave it for your monk to keep your team's bars up.

Or you could go Ether Renewal Spammer.

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I have both a level 20 monk and level 20 ele, and am getting bored with playing each as they are meant to be played :P

Maybe those classes aren't for you.

Sookie · Jul 31, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

It is just my opinion...don't everyone start yelling...that your Ele will NEVER be a "top tier healer". With the absence of the Divine Favor healing boost, you will only be a substitute until an experienced healing monk shows up.

I didn't mean that as being mean or sarcastic...just my opinion.

If you're just looking for something to do as a novelty, then the above-given advice is sound enough, but you probably should create a monk character and learn energy management.

Gift3d · Jul 31, 2009, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Ether Renewal is the most imba pve healer build, you have infinite energy and a huge spammable heal with no recharge that winds up healing you for most of the health you lost. Not to mention 2 free slots you can do whatever you want with (if you don't want to take GDW and go straight healer)

Definitely take a look at the link that shursh posted, there's also a prot variant of it.

oh and breeze iz baed.

reaper with no name · Jul 31, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Ether Renewal is the second most broken skill in the game at present (SF being the first, of course

). An Elementalist with it can outheal a pure heal monk and outprot a pure prot monk simultaneously. The GW population at large just hasn't realized it yet. Once they do, non-smiting monks will become an endangered species.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10353242

Desert Rose · Aug 01, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21

My heroes uses this build, maybe it's what you are looking for:
ES 11 +1 +1, Heal 10, Prot 10
[Heal Other] [Jamei's Gaze] [Shield of Absorption] [Protective Spirit] [Cure Hex] [Aegis] [Aura of Restoration] [Ether Renewal]

If needed switch [[Cure Hex] with a condition remove.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 01, 2009, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

The GW population at large just hasn't realized it yet.

I don't think they will ever. The idea that monks are the only viable backline is too deeply ingrained in the majority of people from my experience. And it doesn't help that those people don't have the sense to even read the skills pinged to work out why ether renewal protting/infusing is very strong.

Well I don't care if they don't realize it as long as it doesn't get nerfed. I really don't wanna go back to inferior damage dealing.

reaper with no name · Aug 01, 2009, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Well, we'll just have to disagree there. I personally hate it when a profession can do another profession's job better than it can (coughScytheWarriorsAndScytheSinscough). Even without ER, eles are still useful even in HM (be it by tanking or utility).

laksa and curry · Aug 01, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Fine fine you may have a very large inexhaustable energy pool, but you can never go hybrid. And you cast out below par prot and heal spells.....

Having said that its like asking a damage building class to go defensive, in short its like asking a warrior to tank and not deal damage which is a no no.

reaper with no name · Aug 01, 2009, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Nope. You CAN go hybrid as an ER healer. And you'll not only be better than a hybrid monk, but you'll be better than a pure heal monk AND a pure prot monk at once.

Infuse Health has no recharge time, and with ER you have infinite energy, so that's not a problem. With 0 healing prayers, you can powerheal for 300 with Infuse (and ER will nullify the health loss) as fast as you can mash the infuse button. Put a couple points into healing prayers and you can reach 400 easily.

Meanwhile, the rest of your bar likely consists of Heal Party and a bunch of prots. Technically, these prots won't be as strong as those of a pure prot monk. However, you're still much better than a pure prot monk at protting because you can spam every prot on your bar on the recharge. No monk can hope to match that. And all the while, you're powerhealing people for 400 or 500 with no recharge for no cost.

It's stupidly powerful, and outside of condition/hex removal (ER bars don't have room for that; they MUST be filled with enchantments or ER doesn't work) and smiting, there's really nothing a true monk can do better than an ER healer.

laksa and curry · Aug 01, 2009, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Nope. You CAN go hybrid as an ER healer. And you'll not only be better than a hybrid monk, but you'll be better than a pure heal monk AND a pure prot monk at once.

Infuse Health has no recharge time, and with ER you have infinite energy, so that's not a problem. With 0 healing prayers, you can powerheal for 300 with Infuse (and ER will nullify the health loss) as fast as you can mash the infuse button. Put a couple points into healing prayers and you can reach 400 easily.

Meanwhile, the rest of your bar likely consists of Heal Party and a bunch of prots. Technically, these prots won't be as strong as those of a pure prot monk. However, you're still much better than a pure prot monk at protting because you can spam every prot on your bar on the recharge. No monk can hope to match that. And all the while, you're powerhealing people for 400 or 500 with no recharge for no cost.

It's stupidly powerful, and outside of condition/hex removal (ER bars don't have room for that; they MUST be filled with enchantments or ER doesn't work) and smiting, there's really nothing a true monk can do better than an ER healer.

Well said everyone start deleting your monks here comes the ultimate "nuker monk" poor monks out of job.^^ Or just stick to 55 and other obscure duties .... death of a profession... sad day.

draxynnic · Aug 01, 2009, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Personally, I must admit to a certain "having more professions that can take the part of the monk is a bad thing?" reaction. The healing slots are pretty much always the last to be filled in a party - as long as no profession gets completely sidelined, it's a good thing if an E/Mo or Rt or N/Rt can step up when the Monks aren't showing.

There may be a call for some nerfing of the E/Mo if it really does outclass the primary Monks that much, but there's nothing wrong with the build existing. And if it can't do hexes and conditions, than that suggests that the Monk than has that role to play along with supplying additional heals and/or prots.

Chthon · Aug 01, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by laksa and curry

Fine fine you may have a very large inexhaustable energy pool, but you can never go hybrid. And you cast out below par prot and heal spells.....

Even at zero spec Infuse heals for more than anything else in the Healing line at 16 spec, it has 1/4 cast and zero recharge, and essentially zero energy cost or health cost thanks to ER.

Protective Spirit's effect does not scale with spec, only its duration. Spamming short duration PS's results in better coverage than being stingy with longer duration PS's because the 10e cost is a burden for you.

With PS and spot heals covered, the rest is details.

Daenara · Aug 03, 2009, 10:53 AM // 10:53

There is already a thread discussing the Ether Renewal healer, we don't need to rehash the same arguments in a new thread. Please direct your discussion here.