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Old Jul 24, 2010, 03:10 AM // 03:10   #21
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You're referencing gimmicks, all the same. Sab/Discord are used in VQ and Slaver's Exile, too. Secondly, you point to one strategy, tanking. If you ward/hex, you don't need to tank. I did that just a few hours ago in the ZM.

Ranger (Me): Damage, ward, spirit, EVAS.
Gwen: Hex/Shutdown
Olias: MM
Xandra: Resto

Tanking is just one strategy and also really needs a human to do it. As such, it's impractical for many of us.
But when we are talking about skill balance between classes the main reason to do it is because pug groups (and in some cases, even Guild/Friend groups) are far more discriminating. Therefore, we have to take all builds into account, even gimmicks. "Usable by heroes" does NOT mean that the skills are balanced.

Also....Aegis is not a gimmick.
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Old Jul 24, 2010, 04:46 PM // 16:46   #22
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Pugs are not that discriminatory about the elementalist (since we're getting off topic). I see them accepted and no one objects to what they run. Guilds will vary; some are open and some demand metagame templates to meet their goals.

No one was saying gimmicks need to be excluded from balance discussion, I feel quite the opposite. I don't even see why Aegis was brought up, either.
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Old Jul 25, 2010, 12:59 PM // 12:59   #23
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I always wondered why it never did the penetration that other air skills do. I like it to spike with, even though you telegraph it you put a bunch of damage at 1 spot instead of 2 consecutive hits that the enemy can prot or heal between. I used to like incendiary bonds for that reason too. It times really well with lightning hammer and orb.

They might make it adjacent AoE for pve without power creeping too much.
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