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credit · Aug 21, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

[skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill] + Divine Favor > [skill]Ether Renewal[/skill] - Divine Favor

Primary Monk > ER Ele

Perfected Shadow · Aug 21, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Prot Spirit and Spirit bond when they won't do anything because of the mitigation power of Life Bond. Not only that, but you get more powerful prots and heals on your common two Monk backline, along with the Divine Favour bonus.

Life Bond reduces damage after Prot Spirit. And have you tried HM any time at all? The ability to spam PS and SB is priceless. More powerful prot? How? By having your prot skills last a few seconds longer? Heals I won't argue about since I already said I usually have a monk purely covering the healing.

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You either said this statement to troll or show your stupidity. Pure heal or prot bars are usually bad. Bonders are weak, which is why they aren't ran on Monks either.

Yeah I'm stupid, I'm a noob whatever you want. So show me your godly 2 monk backline that will work better than my ER Prot + Healer monk/ N/Rt. Not just that, a player ER can also run some pve only utility. Can your monk afford to buff your physicals with Great Dwarf Weapon without worrying about energy?

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Originally Posted by credit

Primary Monk > ER Ele

Regarding you and anyone else, I'm not arguing that a solo ER is better than a monk primary. My argument is that an ER Prot together with monk/ritualist/NRt is better than 2 monks.

-Lotus- · Aug 21, 2008, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Regarding you and anyone else, I'm not arguing that a solo ER is better than a monk primary. My argument is that an ER Prot together with monk/ritualist/NRt is better than 2 monks.

If we are talking about humans I disagree, I properly placed prot or heal will do the job better than spamming random prots on recharge all over the place.

if we are talking about heroes, then yeah, sure give them something that they can spam with unlimited energy.

Axel Zinfandel · Aug 21, 2008, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

If we are talking about humans I disagree, I properly placed prot or heal will do the job better than spamming random prots on recharge all over the place.

if we are talking about heroes, then yeah, sure give them something that they can spam with unlimited energy.

I think I should clarify things for everyone.

Human Monks run stronger, better placed prot/heal then ER humans

ER Humans run spammed prot (rarely heal) with varied effect (since your not actually paying attention to anything other then spamming on players with red bars going down), but should probably be doing something more worthwhile, like taking advantage of the fact that humans have better judgement then AI in monking.

Hero Monks suck, and should only be run with lots of energy management.

ER heroes rock, because it's broken energy management is the easiest way for heroes to monk prot/heal right without expending all their energy.

Snow Bunny · Aug 21, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Human Monks run stronger, better placed prot/heal then ER humans

There you go. Discussion over.

-Lotus- · Aug 21, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

agreed

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Tyla · Aug 21, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Life Bond reduces damage after Prot Spirit. And have you tried HM any time at all?

Why, yes I have. I'm too busy abusing extremely powerful defensive skills that I don't notice HM's damage multiplyer.

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The ability to spam PS and SB is priceless.

Why would you need it all of the time?

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More powerful prot? How? By having your prot skills last a few seconds longer?

SB and RoF will heal for more with a higher prot spec.

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Yeah I'm stupid, I'm a noob whatever you want. So show me your godly 2 monk backline that will work better than my ER Prot + Healer monk/ N/Rt. Not just that, a player ER can also run some pve only utility. Can your monk afford to buff your physicals with Great Dwarf Weapon without worrying about energy?

Why should I look around for the builds? Use your imagination.

As for Great Dwarf Weapon, you do realise that you need heavy energy management to have it up on more than 2 people anyway, right?

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Regarding you and anyone else, I'm not arguing that a solo ER is better than a monk primary. My argument is that an ER Prot together with monk/ritualist/NRt is better than 2 monks.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: You don't need to spam to be effective.

credit · Aug 21, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Yeah I'm stupid, I'm a noob whatever you want. So show me your godly 2 monk backline that will work better than my ER Prot + Healer monk/ N/Rt.

Word of Healing + Restore Conditions

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-Lotus- · Aug 22, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Yeah I'm stupid, I'm a noob whatever you want. So show me your godly 2 monk backline that will work better than my ER Prot + Healer monk/ N/Rt.

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the aura of faith monk could use some more Pve-Friendly skills, but they already easily bean a ER ele and N/Rt.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 22, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Why, yes I have. I'm too busy abusing extremely powerful defensive skills that I don't notice HM's damage multiplyer.

Not everyone has access to an imbagon.

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Why would you need it all of the time?

When you have 20 attribute+ trash on attack and casting speed steroids that are spamming shit on your party's face

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As for Great Dwarf Weapon, you do realise that you need heavy energy management to have it up on more than 2 people anyway, right?

That's my point... ER can handle it easily.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: You don't need to spam to be effective.

I don't have to but I can afford to spam prots and GDW.

Seems everyone just likes to use the same old shit all the time. Fine by me if it keeps the nerfbat away from ER.

Tyla · Aug 22, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Not everyone has access to an imbagon.

The core defense of Sabway is Weakness. I'm not talking about Imbagons here, but you did bring up a point. Oh, and for Imbagons I wouldn't need to spam prots, I would only need to heal through stuff and put PSpirit on the Paragon every now and then.

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When you have 20 attribute+ trash on attack and casting speed steroids that are spamming shit on your party's face

That's funny, because I've got 22 areas to vanquish and I've completed all of Hard Mode, and I've never needed it.

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That's my point... ER can handle it easily.

Regardless, a Monk's bar is tight anyway.

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I don't have to but I can afford to spam prots and GDW.

Maybe you don't have to... but I don't recall needing to spam my prots, ever. Not for potential, not because my party would wipe if I didn't, not for anything.

Moloch Vein · Aug 22, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

I'd like to point out that Elnore is the best, smartest and most knowledgable elementalist I've ever played with.

What he's saying is all true.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 22, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

So you don't need to spam your prots. Maybe my ele does. Both ways get the job done fine. What makes your way superior?

Tyla · Aug 22, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Divine Favour and runes.

You've never needed to spam prots. Ever.

Tearz1993 · Aug 22, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

So you don't need to spam your prots. Maybe my ele does. Both ways get the job done fine. What makes your way superior?

Because with your ele bar, it isn't as versatile skill-wise because you're relying on two enchantments for energy, one of which is your elite. So in reality, you have a bar that has 6 skill slots while a regular monk has all 8, or 7 if he has an e-manage skill. It's the same reason why the old [healer's boon] was looked down upon. You really needed [healer's boon], energy management like [glyph of lesser energy] or [channeling], and heal party. Then you had 5 slots open.

Primary monks are more versatile, have a higher spec, and can run multiple attributes at once because they are more free with attributes and skill slots.

While the ele will not run out of energy, the monk shouldn't be either.

God I M Stoned · Aug 23, 2008, 05:33 AM // 05:33

ok... if you're trying to prot, thats great.... 1: shield guardian is a terrible terrible skill..... 2: leave it to monks or N/Rts to do that, since rit spells work w/o an extra boost from DF (need spirits instead, or so it seems) and monks do seem to get DF bonuses for a reason; so they can heal/prot/smite(well, not now since those Anet jerks nerfed [smiter's boon] 3: just run an earth ele, you can be much more useful laying out hellish amounts of wards [Ward Against Melee],[Ward Against Foes],[Ward Against Elements], etc.. also [Unsteady Ground]+[Dragon's Stomp]+[Eruption]+wards= a roxxor earth ele, and much more useful at shrugging off damage than a prot ele would be... P.S.S. [Ebon Hawk]+[Stoning]= fun to chase off the evil melee haters with

maybe use this? a way in which you can be more useful? while also doing a small amount of damage? the only reason i use [Protective Spirit] in HM is on a hero so i can micro it onto my dipshit henchies..... or more often then not, Dunkoro.... when they DP 60%

-Nate

Moloch Vein · Aug 23, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Shield Guardian is a beyond awesome skill for an E/Mo running ER. 1 second recharge 1/4 cast splash heal netting you energy? Yes please!

Also one thing you should probably not forget is that an E/Mo running ER can spam GDW on recharge.

Tyla · Aug 23, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Yes, that and your bar is even more used up, when you could be saving it for more useful skills.

Moloch Vein · Aug 23, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Does a prot monk bring Reversal of Fortune, normally speaking?

Shield Guardian is the ER monk's Reversal of Fortune.

Also please note again how good this character will be with Great Dwarf Weapon. This skill alone provides a justification for running one of these on your team.

Tyla · Aug 23, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I was talking about Great Dwarf Weapon.