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superkevin · Jul 19, 2011, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Been away from guild wars for a few years now and just reinstalled. Been trying to join parties for uw, fow, etc, but they keep telling me I need to update my skills. Apparently most ele's go bonder now... I barely know what that is. I've been pinged a few builds and saved them, I've tried to reproduce them but I don't have Factions to get 2 that I'm always missing. Those are Elemental Lord, and Burning Speed. Is there a way/build that people will accept without these skills? I own Prophecies & GWEN. Thanks.

Admin Edit: Including this post in the OP to clear up any misconceptions:

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Originally Posted by superkevin

Now that you mention it, I've been attempting to join UWSC...which I guess the SC stand for speed clear. Sorry, I've been away from GW far too long so I'm a bit lost trying to learn/re-learn everything thats going on now. Whats the difference I guess? Normal UW has normal E/Mo nukers, and SC has bonders? Not sure how to post the template most people are giving me, heres the code. OgNDwcPPPkkb2BJeIPqFfeaB

Calista Blackblood · Jul 19, 2011, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Burning Speed is the key skill to the bar,spamming it to keep energy up. I don't think a variant without it exists.

Kunder · Jul 19, 2011, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

Burning Speed is the key skill to the bar,spamming it to keep energy up. I don't think a variant without it exists.

Ummm... no? Why would anyone use Burning Speed when Infuse Health does exactly the same thing with a several hundred hitpoint heal on top of it? Burning isn't exactly useful and what is a healer character going to do running around alone at +50% speed (though I suppose you could tank with that if its your thing).

Elemental Lord is mostly useless, 18 ES is the breakpoint for ER but 17 ES just gives you +1s on ER. +1 Energy per cast is pretty marginal when you have 17-21 already, and the extra healing is just over the top on what you already have. But its at least a decent boost if you have an empty slot, though I can't see how you would as ER has so many other nice things they can take.

Post the bar that you are trying to use now superkevin. Its most likely a case of your build being fine and pubs being retards, but you may be missing something important.

farmerfez · Jul 19, 2011, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Kunder

Ummm... no? Why would anyone use Burning Speed when Infuse Health does exactly the same thing with a several hundred hitpoint heal on top of it? Burning isn't exactly useful and what is a healer character going to do running around alone at +50% speed (though I suppose you could tank with that if its your thing).

Elemental Lord is mostly useless, 18 ES is the breakpoint for ER but 17 ES just gives you +1s on ER. +1 Energy per cast is pretty marginal when you have 17-21 already, and the extra healing is just over the top on what you already have. But its at least a decent boost if you have an empty slot, though I can't see how you would as ER has so many other nice things they can take.

Post the bar that you are trying to use now superkevin. Its most likely a case of your build being fine and pubs being retards, but you may be missing something important.

lolwut?

have you ever done a UWSC....

Kunder · Jul 19, 2011, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by farmerfez

lolwut?

have you ever done a UWSC....

Yes, but OP never said SC.

The Superb Killer · Jul 19, 2011, 06:00 PM // 18:00

Bringing Life Attunement and Infuse Health could substitute for Burning Speed. However, some teams may not want you to be healing for one reason or another. Alternatively, assuming you don't have Life Bond or Balthazar's Spirit on your bar, you could bring some PvE-only skills like GDW, GDA, EBSoW, EBSoC, or Ebon Escape.

Cuilan · Jul 19, 2011, 06:21 PM // 18:21

The OP needs to state if he's using the build for speed clears or not.

Burning Speed means you're not Infusing. Ebon Escape, Life Bond, and Balthazar's Spirit are useless.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/Mo_ER_Infuse_Bonder

superkevin · Jul 19, 2011, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

The OP needs to state if he's using the build for speed clears or not.

Burning Speed means you're not Infusing. Ebon Escape, Life Bond, and Balthazar's Spirit are useless.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/Mo_ER_Infuse_Bonder

Now that you mention it, I've been attempting to join UWSC...which I guess the SC stand for speed clear. Sorry, I've been away from GW far too long so I'm a bit lost trying to learn/re-learn everything thats going on now. Whats the difference I guess? Normal UW has normal E/Mo nukers, and SC has bonders? Not sure how to post the template most people are giving me, heres the code. OgNDwcPPPkkb2BJeIPqFfeaB

Fow and UW were my fav's years ago, I used to run it as a ReNuker...but apparently noone does that any more. So I was going to change up my skills to something people will want in their parties, but I guess since I don't have factions I'm lacking the necessary skills.

Calista Blackblood · Jul 19, 2011, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

The OP needs to state if he's using the build for speed clears or not.

Burning Speed means you're not Infusing. Ebon Escape, Life Bond, and Balthazar's Spirit are useless.
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:E/Mo_ER_Infuse_Bonder

You're wrong on multiple levels. No Burning Speed on most pulls in UWSC = Dead. Infuse is used sparingly and Balth's is certainly used in UWSC.

Kunder · Jul 19, 2011, 07:17 PM // 19:17

If you want to run pub SCs, you have to have the pub SC build on PvXwiki. That is how it is and how it always has been. If you had Bamph! on your skill bar pub groups would still reject you because you don't have the PvX Approved™ build.

Calista Blackblood · Jul 19, 2011, 07:26 PM // 19:26

There is a little variation in most builds,Emo is one that is pretty much set in stone.

superkevin · Jul 19, 2011, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Thanks for all the help so far guys. Sorry for the confusion, like I said I've just come back from gw retirement so a lot of the terminology, and builds are new to me. As I understand I really can't do UWSC at least as a E/Mo without getting skills from Factions. What are some fun time killing places to party in game these days that your average Elementalist can do? (Checked out War Camp, noone there at all...used to be dozens back in the day). Ideas, tips, recommendations?

Kunder · Jul 19, 2011, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

There is a little variation in most builds,Emo is one that is pretty much set in stone.

lolno? The only reason to have Burning Speed in SCs is for instances in which you can't cast Infuse (no party member in spell range). In all other situations (i.e., every other team build for elite areas and the other 95% of the game) Infuse is strictly better for any conceivable purpose when bonding, and Burning Speed is a completely wasted skill slot that could be used on something better.

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Originally Posted by superkevin

Thanks for all the help so far guys. Sorry for the confusion, like I said I've just come back from gw retirement so a lot of the terminology, and builds are new to me. As I understand I really can't do UWSC at least as a E/Mo without getting skills from Factions. What are some fun time killing places to party in game these days that your average Elementalist can do? (Checked out War Camp, noone there at all...used to be dozens back in the day). Ideas, tips, recommendations?

Zaishen daily quests are a big thing (randomly changing tasks to anywhere in PvE, but 1/2 the time it will be factions or nightfall which you can't do). WoC just got released and tons of players are doing that, but unfortunately its Factions only so you are left out again. You can do the WiK storyline for Prophecies/EotN, which starts in Lions Arch, but there probably aren't that many player groups forming for it anymore.

Really, you should just pick up Factions and Nightfall. You should be able to get them dirt cheap by now. I've seen the trilogy as low at $25, which gets you an extra prophecies key to make another account with as well.

Calista Blackblood · Jul 19, 2011, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Kunder

lolno? The only reason to have Burning Speed in SCs is for instances in which you can't cast Infuse (no party member in spell range). In all other situations (i.e., every other team build for elite areas and the other 95% of the game) Infuse is strictly better for any conceivable purpose when bonding, and Burning Speed is a completely wasted skill slot that could be used on something better.

The SC's(there were two last time I checked) using E/Mo bonders have perfectly valid reasons for doing so,Any other bonder requirements (urgoz) for example can be done by a Necro.

TalanRoarer · Jul 19, 2011, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

If you need E/Mo bonder help for FoW/UW it is blatantly obvious what you're intentions are.

You're probably right. However, Physway is still possible

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Totally different ER build though, it's actually fun to play.

EDIT: Much prefer Xenos

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Kevin, if you're interested in the Physway version of the ER, feel free to PM me and I can talk you through the entirety of the Uw run.

If you want the Speedclear version, I can't help ya

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zacharias · Jul 19, 2011, 10:37 PM // 22:37

If you want to do UW, FoW, Sorrow's Furnace or TOPK in a balanced way (not speed clear), I would suggest you join a guild if you don't have one. Then you wouldn't be required to use a PvX build and wouldn't have to be an ER bonder if you didn't want to.

For PUGging- as previously mentioned, see what the Zaishen mission or bounty is for the day. There are usually groups forming that you can join and you can usually bring whatever build you want.

I also feel you should pick up Factions and/or Nightfall. There's so much more you can do and the additional elite areas that would be open to you- DoA, Urgoz, the Deep.

Chthon · Jul 20, 2011, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by TalanRoarer

You're probably right. However, Physway is still possible

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Totally different ER build though, it's actually fun to play.

EDIT: Much prefer Xenos

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Kevin, if you're interested in the Physway version of the ER, feel free to PM me and I can talk you through the entirety of the Uw run.

If you want the Speedclear version, I can't help ya

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Unfortunately, Spirit Bond is also a Factions skill.

superkevin · Jul 21, 2011, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Thanks everyone for the input, it's been very helpful. I'm thinking about buying factions/nightfall or the trilogy since its got both keys. I've been doing a lot of searching, and it seems like theres been good deals in the past (like trilogy for $15 at best buy). Can anyone point me toward a good deal? I know $30 for the trilogy isn't too much, but I like getting things cheaper if I can. Thanks again.

bhavv · Jul 23, 2011, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Kunder

Ummm... no? Why would anyone use Burning Speed when Infuse Health does exactly the same thing with a several hundred hitpoint heal on top of it? Burning isn't exactly useful and what is a healer character going to do running around alone at +50% speed (though I suppose you could tank with that if its your thing).

Elemental Lord is mostly useless, 18 ES is the breakpoint for ER but 17 ES just gives you +1s on ER. +1 Energy per cast is pretty marginal when you have 17-21 already, and the extra healing is just over the top on what you already have. But its at least a decent boost if you have an empty slot, though I can't see how you would as ER has so many other nice things they can take.

Post the bar that you are trying to use now superkevin. Its most likely a case of your build being fine and pubs being retards, but you may be missing something important.

You dont know anything about playing the prot bond build it seems.

Burning speed is needed to refill your energy as it lost from prot bond. There is no alternative to it, infuse wouldnt work because spamming it that much and being in range of your teammates all the time would kill you.

Elemental Lord is needed for the +1 energy per burning speed spam.

Here is a simple tutorial video for how to play the Emo bonder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQLa71Q12M

Kunder · Jul 23, 2011, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by bhavv

You dont know anything about playing the prot bond build it seems.

Burning speed is needed to refill your energy as it lost from prot bond. There is no alternative to it, infuse wouldnt work because spamming it that much and being in range of your teammates all the time would kill you.

Elemental Lord is needed for the +1 energy per burning speed spam.

Here is a simple tutorial video for how to play the Emo bonder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQLa71Q12M

Ho, look thar! bhavv making another post about emos full of derp and fail.

Being in range of teammates using Infuse would kill you? You realize that every spell cast heals you anywhere from 200 to 400 health (granted infuse eats into this, but it is a self correcting mechanism whereby the less health you have the more you heal), and prot bond makes sure that you can't take more than 25-30 damage per attack?

+1e per spell cast is ridiculously minimal when you are getting 20, often as much as 30 energy per cast already. I hope I don't have to go into simple math to prove this. If anything Elemental Lord is decent simply because its a long cast enchant to fuel ER that hopefully even a retard can remember to press once every minute, but being lazy on upkeeping enchantments isn't an excuse for using a skill.