Curse

Charge · Dec 16, 2006, 07:49 AM // 07:49

So I just had my first experience in playing against a Dervish, and I found it rather painful (as either W/R and E/W). You guys are just invincible and too deadly!

How does one fight the kinds of you?

Ecksor · Dec 16, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

You just cant beat us. We're too leet. Nah, jk, Ineptitude=Dead Dervish.

Darkpower Alchemist · Dec 16, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Fighting a dervish can be a bother for even a seasoned warrior, since they give conditions like a ranger,are fortified with enchantments like a monk, and can rend enchantments better than an Necro to a degree, so no enchantment fortifications for you will be the equal of the dervish.

They are beatable,but it may take a few goes to determinethe build being used and how to properly counter it.

Earendil · Dec 16, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

1 vs 1 is tricky for a warrior vs a dervish - takes a lot of player skill.

Generally Dervishes are easier to play than warrior. At top level Warriors are much more useful for the team than dervs

Main advice - dont fight him. It's PVP and your target should not be the meleer (unless you"re whole team is after him) but the enemy softies backline (monks, mesmers, ellie). Once you cut his support he will eventually fall.

If he has an avatar, most important being the Tree one, just wait for it to wear out (kite - they are not really good at chasing). Harass him while not engaging in a 1vs1.

Also- if a derv has his 3-4 enchants up you won't kill him so let him be till he's alone.

LightningHell · Dec 16, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Why 1v1? Dervishes are pretty invincible in those situations if they want to be.

Barrett · Dec 16, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

id do W/Mo Vig Spirit,Live Vic For Monk Stuff
healing sig for heal
riposte+deadly riposte for damage maybe even glads def
cant touch ya
and other skills u choose

jesh · Dec 16, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Hmmm.... maybe Soul Barbs, Shroud of Silence, or a constant TS/Beguiling Haze? Dervishes are too good 1v1.. it's like fighting a paladin premade, but worse because the dervish can probably kill you.

They need to make a new mesmer elite that removes all enchants, with damage per enchant, and disables all enchants for number removed*1-4 or something. If there's a ways to fight a dervish on a mesmer, I'm not aware of it. Crippling Anguish+Degnen? No... energy denial maybe, but you might run out before the Dervish. Maybe Diversion spam + mad kiting.

Crom The Pale · Dec 16, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Dervish's aren't hard to beat, provided you know what build hes running.

If he doesnt have melindru's form or monk secodary then its a good bet some degen + hexes will own him fast. Backfire is another nasty skill for a dervish to deal with.

Pain of Disenchantment + Rend Enchantments would be nasty for any dervish enchant build.

All dervish builds require a fair bit of energy maintence, so anything you can do that drains him of energy will help. SV/AV.

1vs1 a war would need mesmer or necro or maybe assasin as his secondary to kill a dervish. A war/monk or war/ele might beable to out last him if he isnt good with energy managment, but id be surprised.

bungusmaximus · Dec 16, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

empathy+backfire, dumb dervish dies, smart dervish does nothing :P
if theres any class that can PWN a dervish to kingdom come its the mesmer. I've seen good warriors beat them with ease too. Good warrior against good dervish gets interesting though. i wonder what defile enchantments does too them? I beat one now and then with my ele, but a good one gets tricky, i cant kite them cos thy snare me

furbat · Dec 16, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Earendil

1 vs 1 is tricky for a warrior vs a dervish - takes a lot of player skill.

Generally Dervishes are easier to play than warrior. At top level Warriors are much more useful for the team than dervs

Main advice - dont fight him. It's PVP and your target should not be the meleer (unless you"re whole team is after him) but the enemy softies backline (monks, mesmers, ellie). Once you cut his support he will eventually fall.

If he has an avatar, most important being the Tree one, just wait for it to wear out (kite - they are not really good at chasing). Harass him while not engaging in a 1vs1.

Also- if a derv has his 3-4 enchants up you won't kill him so let him be till he's alone.

Dervishes are very self sufficient. I am not sure about the easier to play or more usefull comment. Thats really comparing apples to oarnges. Also I don't think your advice about kiting is very good. Depending on build, dervishes are probably the worst class to kite.

If a dervish makes his build to 1v1 a warrior, the warrior is going down. If the dervish is build for taking out a caster, ie avatar of grenth, it shouldn't be much trouble.

Also dervishes have no form of condition removal, so if you have blind it shouldnt be hard to take one down.

If you want to 1v1 a dervish as a warrior bring Your All Alone. Asside from avatar of melandru, the dervish should be very easy to defeat.

Marverick · Dec 16, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I've had some 1v1's against Dervs with my ranger, though none of them with the Melandru Avatar. Apply Poison + Pin Down + Burning Arrow + Concussion Shot works nicely... -10 degen, -50% speed, daze... dead derv...

As for the Melandru... just hit Natural Stride and run around until it wears off lol... then if he tries to put it up again stick a DS into his face.

The Hypnotoad · Dec 16, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

hmm, i have been dueling a lot on my derv, and their heals rival that of monk and rit, lots of self heals, but some pretty incredible norm heals, ive actually seen a healer derv in RA before, didn't do half bad, but back to what i was saying

Derv's have a self heal in every, yes EVERY attribute, can a monk say that, can any other class say that? (im sorry to the person who said this before me, i dont know who u are, but im crediting you for this)

The only class that has beaten my derv in a one on one was another derv (yes, i even took out a mes, hurray for avatar of dwayna!)

The only way to really kill a derv is to catch him off guard, or with a build that is horrid against yours, and dont engage one in one on one, thats most likely your loss

Dutch Masterr · Dec 16, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

all you have to do is watch what skills hes using, and attack them when their enchantments or skills will be ending or when they are most vulnerable. it helps to sneak up on a dervish that hasnt prerpared all their enchantments yet, making assassins pretty useful against them.

Earendil · Dec 16, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by furbat

Dervishes are very self sufficient. I am not sure about the easier to play or more usefull comment. Thats really comparing apples to oarnges. Also I don't think your advice about kiting is very good. Depending on build, dervishes are probably the worst class to kite.

If a dervish makes his build to 1v1 a warrior, the warrior is going down. If the dervish is build for taking out a caster, ie avatar of grenth, it shouldn't be much trouble.

Also dervishes have no form of condition removal, so if you have blind it shouldnt be hard to take one down.

If you want to 1v1 a dervish as a warrior bring Your All Alone. Asside from avatar of melandru, the dervish should be very easy to defeat.

I was talking about higher level PvP. Dervishes are easier to play then warriors (the whole adren charging thing and frenzy/cancel and the coordinated adren spike, not to mention healing signet use makes it a lot harder to play a warrior). Also, the warrior build for higher PvP is pretty standard (damaging adren combo, frenzy/speed stance, self heal, self condition remove +- a sin teleport) and cannot afford defensive stuff like riposte & all.

The job of the meleers there is to kill targets not to win 1 vs 1 duels (flag battles aside)

The warrior is more useful there mostly because warriors are less enrgy vulnerable and can do spikes, which the devish cannot due to the slow weapon. That's why dervishes in higher GvG are mostly utility oriented and not damage.

A warrior in PvP should be able to kite a dervish. Except for Balth avatar (one of the worst avatars for PvP) the dervishes speed boosts are limited (pious haste, featerfoot, harriers and whirling charge).

While Dervish self heals are impressive, this is irrelevant for PVP where his job is to take down targets and monks can do the healing part better.

The only avatar I see that could cause problems in 1 vs 1 is indeed Melandru since it negates a lot of the damage coming from a War, Sin or Ranger. As said here before by others - you wait for his vulbnerability period and kill him then.

Arkantos · Dec 17, 2006, 09:59 AM // 09:59

There are countless Dervish builds, and even more builds with every other class. This thread isn't specific enough to make sence.