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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04   #1
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Hello everyone! I have Prophecies right now, and I am planning on getting both factions and nightfall very soon. I need some advice on which class to start out in.

I like melee combat a lot, and I'm really interested in both Assassin and Dervish. Both look cool on paper, but if someone here has played both, I'd appreciate any input. I'd like to be able to do good amount of damage, not really a tank, but I would like to be competant enough in combat to do a bunch of my missions with henchmen or heroes.

Whichever one I pick, I am open ended to any secondary except monk...I currently have 4 characters, 2 have monk secondaries and one is a monk, so I'd like to change it up a bit. Thanks for any advice.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07   #2
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Both look cool on paper, but both fail in practicality as well. Neither one of them fair particularly well with Henchmen. But Dervish fare better than Assassins...
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09   #3
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... But Dervish fare better than Assassins...
That's not true. You see Assassins in guild battles, but almost never Dervish.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12   #4
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That's not true. You see Assassins in guild battles, but almost never Dervish.
o_O So why did i see all those D/W with melandru avatar killing people in observer mode?
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:22 AM // 01:22   #5
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Both look cool on paper, but both fail in practicality as well. Neither one of them fair particularly well with Henchmen. But Dervish fare better than Assassins...
I actually like Dervish. It's something new and different. I do wish they could tank better, though, since enchants are so vulnerable to stripping.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24   #6
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Yes, but they get many benifits when the enchants actually are stripped. I mean, I've seen many dervs manually strip their own enchants.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:29 AM // 01:29   #7
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That's not true. You see Assassins in guild battles, but almost never Dervish.
I agree with Lyra. Don't you watch Observer mode?
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30   #8
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Yes, but they get many benifits when the enchants actually are stripped. I mean, I've seen many dervs manually strip their own enchants.
I do manually strip my enchant as well with that one Scythe attack, forget the name of it, though

I also tend to run into energy problems with a Dervish, but I guess when I get a Zealous mod and a +5e inscription, it will get better.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33   #9
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If you want to be a PUG repellant, might as well go Mesmer. At least you'll do it in style.

But since you didn't specify much, you might as well try both of them, although Dervish is probably a bit more playable overall. Assassins just aren't made for PvE.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40   #10
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If you want to be a PUG repellant, might as well go Mesmer. At least you'll do it in style.
Hahahahahahahahaha! That just cracked me up!!!

I do wish that ANet would buff up Mesmers in PvE, though.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44   #11
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The mezmer class for pve can be deadly to spell casters and warriors, easiest way to take down spellcasters and warriors baddies, thats why I think you dont get the computer mezmer till the almost end of the story mode. I play with mezmer in PvP and PvE just because of I love the options for the build.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51   #12
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If you want to be a PUG repellant, ...
Not since The Scribe's issue that address the Mesmer class. There are missions where mesmers get begged to join group.

Why choose mesmer over monk? Because you see far less rage quit mesmers than monk.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55   #13
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I bet half the people that play mesmers just do it for the clothes. We all know who wears the (most fashionable) pants around here.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56   #14
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My option is that Derv are more helpful and by buying NF, you also get heros a better storyline and cool skills.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06   #15
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The mezmer class for pve can be deadly to spell casters and warriors, easiest way to take down spellcasters and warriors baddies, thats why I think you dont get the computer mezmer till the almost end of the story mode. I play with mezmer in PvP and PvE just because of I love the options for the build.
Yes, they're supposed to be the "counter class" that can counter a single enemy of every class out there with the right setup. The thing with PvE is that enemies come in mobs, and mesmers don't have that many AoE skills. They're good for bringing down bosses with a specific setup, but when faced with mobs of enemies, it's hard to shut down every single one of them with limited time, energy, and skills.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29   #16
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sorry about the letters, I was in a bit of a hurry.

This is going to be mainly a PvE thing, with PvP in the very distant future. So, Dervish would best fit me I suppose? I looked around on the Dervish boards, and I'm coming up empty with build ideas. Would it be a better idea to be a pure Dervish, or is there some fun combonation that I'm missing? D/N seems like a cool combonation, as does D/A actually. D/Rt, D/W, D/Me all seem like viable combonations. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43   #17
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Dervish/Warrior with Wild Blow is probably the most common combination. Scythe criticals are huge, and you have no need for adrenaline.

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Both look cool on paper, but both fail in practicality as well.
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As should have been mentioned, as far as PvP is concerned Melandru dervishes are extremely powerful, and Grenth dervishes are sickening.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52   #18
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As should have been mentioned, as far as PvP is concerned Melandru dervishes are extremely powerful, and Grenth dervishes are sickening.
Let's not forget the Assassin's abilities in PvP, though I do admit, I'm not a fan of either the Dervish or the assassin in PvE, (To the OP) it seems that a Dervish with a build based around an avatar and scythe attacks would suite you the best. Just my $0.02, hope that helps.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54   #19
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As should have been mentioned, as far as PvP is concerned Melandru dervishes are extremely powerful, and Grenth dervishes are sickening.
The OP didn't mention PvP, now did it? Don't try to be a smartass.

The OP strongly signifies PvE.
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Old Dec 26, 2006, 03:57 AM // 03:57   #20
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If you want to be a PUG repellant,
ill take a mesmer over anything but a monk any day..
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