Curse

Tyla · Oct 06, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

I've seen the following:

GLFM
GLF Nuker
GLF Tank
GLF SS
GLF MM
GLF Monk
GLF Healer
GLF Interupt Ranger
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
GLF Dervish
GLF Monk or Rit
GLF SV
GLF SF

I think the only profession I have not seen is Paragon.

Some people like seeing Avatar Dervishes or Dervishes with Scythe Elite.

never seen GLF interrupt ranger,mes,sin,derv or rit then again all people want is a tank,nec,monk and ele....

but playing ranger i still get into parties....

i say:non-core profession(and mes) hate in pve FTL!

Str0b0 · Oct 06, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

never seen GLF interrupt ranger,mes,sin,derv or rit then again all people want is a tank,nec,monk and ele....

but playing ranger i still get into parties....

i say:non-core profession(and mes) hate in pve FTL!

Did you play factions? Everyone wanted interrupt rangers for Unwaking waters. Interrupt rangers are in high demand wherever there is an enemy with a particularly nasty skill that needs to just not happen. I play a BHA based interrupt now in place of my old flaming barrage build. D/W are great against Shiro in NF. Mesmers just don't get enough love. Rits get picked up rather often now. Sins rarely get groups but that's because 80% of the people playing them try to tank and end up just being a burden on the party.

Tyla · Oct 06, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Did you play factions? Everyone wanted interrupt rangers for Unwaking waters. Interrupt rangers are in high demand wherever there is an enemy with a particularly nasty skill that needs to just not happen. I play a BHA based interrupt now in place of my old flaming barrage build. D/W are great against Shiro in NF. Mesmers just don't get enough love. Rits get picked up rather often now. Sins rarely get groups but that's because 80% of the people playing them try to tank and end up just being a burden on the party.

i never do shiro anymore because i just dont do factions as much now,plus theres almost never anyone at unwaking from my experience(considering the fact that kuunavang is almost impossible to interrupt anyway

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Coloneh · Oct 07, 2007, 03:46 PM // 15:46

seriously kuunavang is one of the easiest interrupts in the game. i can shut her down with a spinal shivers necro. if you cant do it an an interrupt ranger thats kinda sad.

Bowstring Badass · Oct 07, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Because it's bad.
It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot.

I think the skill should be renamed to Avatar of Uselessness or Avatar of Noobs.

rick1027 · Oct 07, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Abraxas Fafnir

Not their AoE enchantments, like dust cloak and staggering force. Maybe the guy wanted a mystic sandstorm build.

Also on Paragons, I hardly travel anywhere without my general morgahn and the shouts he produces, but whenever I try to play a Paragon it never works out.

the thing this is one area where the ai plays a para better then most players. ive only seen one para use a build to its full potential but the ai does a wonderful job of it

Marverick · Oct 07, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

AI really sucks at Paragons, actually. They don't understand shout chaining at all. Heck they will cast Defensive Anthem while the previous one is still active for whatever reason. And they will use "SYG!" when the previous one is still active just because ONE party member doesn't have it on, and thus leave ~15 seconds where the entire party doesn't have it on.

And to the OP, most PuG Dervishes suck. They get this "OMG I am a 1337 tank" thing and fill their bar with useless tanking skills and crappy damage, which makes them useless. Therefore no one wants them.
Also every PuG Dervish is using Avatar of Balthazar, which is one of the worst Dervish elites, second only to Grenth's Grasp..

I have seen GLF Rit ads recently in areas like Central Transfer Chamber or Imperial Sanctum. Never seen a GLF Sin ad though... GLF Mes ads do occur. Never seen GLF Para ads either.

Str0b0 · Oct 08, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Lyssa dervishes are dungeon clearing machines. They spike so much it's insane and she's cheap unlike melandru. Yeah condition immunity is nice but in one attack chain I can take out a bunched up back line before they get to put any conditions on me. I also used my EDA build in a couple of dungeons and it went over very well. Everyone likes a little blind spread around liberally. Not all PUG dervishes suck. Team up with me some time and I'll show you.

bungusmaximus · Oct 08, 2007, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Dervishes are fine for PvE as long as they do enough damage. An AoE melee char, just think about it, every PvE-er's wet dream if you ask me. I didn't have particular bad experiences with dervs tbh.

I only hate griefer tanks in AB :P

Avarre · Oct 08, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

What's that?

You can get infinite Avatar of Melandru using PvE skills, allowing immunity to most melee shutdown and constant heavy DPS and deep wound along with high health?

o ok

Stormlord Alex · Oct 08, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

An AoE melee char, just think about it, every PvE-er's wet dream if you ask me.

Myeh, not really... Most PvEers hate physicals, hate the idea of physicals as damage-dealers, and generally suck at playing them.

Just look at all the AoB tards with a thousand Earth Prayers, or all the Paras with 3 Spear Mastery.
At least an Ele with triple-Shower and Flare is doing something

Tab · Oct 08, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

People should stop sucking and run SF Dervs imo.

Tyla · Oct 08, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

seriously kuunavang is one of the easiest interrupts in the game. i can shut her down with a spinal shivers necro. if you cant do it an an interrupt ranger thats kinda sad.

and spinal shivers is a hex and you can interrupt lots of times...
it takes more than 1 interrupt you know

iridescentfyre · Oct 08, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

seriously kuunavang is one of the easiest interrupts in the game. i can shut her down with a spinal shivers necro. if you cant do it an an interrupt ranger thats kinda sad.

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Kuunavang is resistant to interrupts. It may take two or more consecutive tries to actually interrupt her.

Not saying I personally can't handle Kuunavang as an interrupt ranger, just that its not as easy as it seems like it should be. When you have only 2 seconds and need three interrupts (with only two on your bar), a lot of things just don't get interrupted. Spinal Shivers would be easier, since its possible to have many cold damage hits within the span of her cast times.

Marverick · Oct 08, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Lyssa dervishes are dungeon clearing machines. They spike so much it's insane and she's cheap unlike melandru. Yeah condition immunity is nice but in one attack chain I can take out a bunched up back line before they get to put any conditions on me. I also used my EDA build in a couple of dungeons and it went over very well. Everyone likes a little blind spread around liberally. Not all PUG dervishes suck. Team up with me some time and I'll show you.

And when you meet the Skeletal Elementalists with their 3-4 per group of 8 and Blinding Surge you'll wish you took AoM.

But yea, for most of the game Melandru isn't that useful, the high energy cost really only pays off when you have excessive (and ONLY excessive) blind or weakness spam.

Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes

draxynnic · Oct 09, 2007, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Marverick

And when you meet the Skeletal Elementalists with their 3-4 per group of 8 and Blinding Surge you'll wish you took AoM.

But yea, for most of the game Melandru isn't that useful, the high energy cost really only pays off when you have excessive (and ONLY excessive) blind or weakness spam.

Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes

Indeed - for lesser amounts of Blind, you can fall back on Sand Shards. It generally doesn't do as much damage to the target, but affects a larger area, and works on things like block chances as well.

Going against Kuunie is generally best off with Daze or a dazelike effect like Spinal Shivers due to the interrupt resistance she has.

Str0b0 · Oct 09, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Marverick

And when you meet the Skeletal Elementalists with their 3-4 per group of 8 and Blinding Surge you'll wish you took AoM.

But yea, for most of the game Melandru isn't that useful, the high energy cost really only pays off when you have excessive (and ONLY excessive) blind or weakness spam.

Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes

A competent monk will be able to handle conditions on you with Lyssa. Another thought too. If it bothers you that much to not have a way to handle conditions why not make your secondary necro? Since I rarely find myself using skills from my secondary as a dervish I find you can be almost any secondary without consequence. Dislike all that blind? Take plague touch. 5 e super fast recharge and it removes up to 2 conditions at a time. Or if you want to spend a bit more energy you can do plague sending and hit adjacent foes as well. Granted you sac 10% health but I know that one good Victorious sweep on a single target and that's back.

You could also manage conditions with a monk secondary but I like the more offensive touch of the necro plague skills. Kuunavang when I did it with my ranger was before BHA. I think BHA is pretty much standard on an interrupt ranger's bar these days. When I did her though I used Incendiary arrows as my interrupting elite. Sometimes it takes two interrupts to stop Kuunavang so it helps if you can just nail her with whatever and get an interrupt out of her. The recharge time was mitigated by SQ and occasionally QZ if another ranger brought it. It also provided some fairly steady burning damage while you could maintain it.

Coloneh · Oct 09, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes

ANY dervish build can have that. my dwanyay easily reaches max radiant damage every swing.