Curse

~ Dan ~ · Oct 11, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by jesh

Dwayna is pretty damn good

I know, i was talking about AoB...........

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and in the Frozen Forest I'd like to see a VoS runner survive.

It's a known fact VoS runner > Avatar runners.

Tyla · Oct 11, 2007, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Involves enchantment-stripping, and not at a time you can control (without a second stance as a breaker, anyway; although you might be able to time it so you put up an enchantment you can afford to lose when it's about to end). It also doesn't stack with Conviction - neither does Balthazar, but it overlaps instead.

(Mind you, I tend to prefer to use more enchantments over Conviction to fuel Windwalker's, Mystic Sweep and Mystic Regen, but that's beside the point.)

then you obviously suck at timing,and most probably playing dervish by the looks of it

Rushin Roulette · Oct 11, 2007, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Pericles

I'll pay everyone who comes up with a reason for using AoB a large sum of money

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You can sync dance with wammos, you can agro everyone on a map before your team is ready, you can ermmmm...... run.... thats about it. You didnt state you needed any "usefull" reason for using AoB.

Where can I pick up my money?

Although AoB + remove conditions spell (cant remember the name of the non-requ. ranger signet) is sort of like a weaker version of AoM with running instead of +100 HP. Its usefull if you want to run someone to an outpost... and the party quest in vabi, or the other quests mentioned before which eintail loads of running from A to Z over every other letter in the alphabet.

Each Avatar has its ups and downs... just a shame that AoB has more downs than ups, same goes for AoG.

And pure running wise AoB> any other single running skills (although Pious haste comes a close second) because the main focus is on getting through an area as fast as possible while ignoring the damage as much as possible before zoning. Thats where the +40 AR comes in handy as its a passive bonus which works while you are running and taking damage. All you need is a condition/hex removal, knockdown blocking skill and a self healing (troll Unguant for example) for the rare periods where you dont have any agro mobs after your sorry ass.

But thats that for my AoB Fanboiism

. Cant think of any other real reason to use it in PvE which other elites + another skill couldnt do better.

Valeria · Oct 11, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

I really wonder how someone can think of AoB as the worst one? constant running and armor that can't be stripped of you by enchant removal. Perfect for fighting undead because of the holy damage. Especially the running is nice for the easyer PvE areas

Melandru is nice if you are in an area where you get constantly blinded but in other areas the worst i have to deal with is bleeding or weakness but the monks usually remove that in a couple of seconds. The high energy cost sucks though.

Lyssa can deal some nice damage and the energy bonus is very nice as well.

Grenth is not very useful in general PvE

Str0b0 · Oct 11, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Ok I guess you jumped in this thread late Valeria because the points you've made regarding AOB have been covered. Constant running is useless in general PvE. the only time that you need a constant speed boost is if you are running someone somewhere and running ain't PvE. Undead are not so prevalent in the game as to warrant unstrippable holy damage. Even if they were Heart of Holy Flame if the superior choice for holy damage conversion because even when it is stripped it adds burning. Sure the armor bonus cuts damage to half but, as has been pointed out Mystic Regen can handle the damage you do take with vital boon for a quick spike heal. One or both of those skills should be on a good dervishes bar anyway.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 11, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

And pure running wise AoB> any other single running skills (although Pious haste comes a close second) because the main focus is on getting through an area as fast as possible while ignoring the damage as much as possible before zoning. Thats where the +40 AR comes in handy as its a passive bonus which works while you are running and taking damage. All you need is a condition/hex removal, knockdown blocking skill and a self healing (troll Unguant for example) for the rare periods where you dont have any agro mobs after your sorry ass.

So, you are vulnerable to EVERYTHING whilst running. Stopping constantly to remove that cripple, to remove that hex snare, to apply fleeting stability and stop every 20 secs or so to renew it. VoS gives you immunity to every hex snare (bar frozen burst). You stop literally, for nothing. Dark escape is enough damage reduction whilst giving a speedboost.. something AoB as an elite tries to do. Melee can't catch me, whereas they swarm you when you stop to remove every single thing you're hit by.

AoB runners are DEFINATELY not the best available to a derv. Period.

SpeedyG99 · Oct 11, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

I really don't see the hate for AoB, i think its a decent avatar, AoM and AoD are vgood, but AoB is great if you like to tank a bit

Tyla · Oct 11, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by SpeedyG99

I really don't see the hate for AoB, i think its a decent avatar, AoM and AoD are vgood, but AoB is great if you like to tank a bit

tanking is almost never needed...

MBP · Oct 11, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

tanking is almost never needed?

Well AoB tanking is pointless but in general a tank is in almost every party you can think of.

Tyla · Oct 11, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by MBP

tanking is almost never needed?

Well AoB tanking is pointless but in general a tank is in almost every party you can think of.

meh.h/h>pugs anyday...

~ Dan ~ · Oct 11, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by SpeedyG99

I really don't see the hate for AoB, i think its a decent avatar, AoM and AoD are vgood, but AoB is great if you like to tank a bit

Did you not see the other thread i made? Take this discussion there now kkthx.

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Originally Posted by MBP

a tank is in almost every party you can think of.

I guess you weren't including my hero / hench teams?

MBP · Oct 11, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Is there usually a melee in your h/h? or is the melee you?

Coloneh · Oct 12, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by MBP

tanking is almost never needed?

Well AoB tanking is pointless but in general a tank is in almost every party you can think of.

you dont seem to know the difference between tanks and frontliners.

tank- only used effectively in areas like DoA/FoW. absorbs almost all of the team's damage and holds aggro. survival>damage.

frontliner- usually warrior/dervish/assassin. characters that share most of the aggro and keep mobs off the backline. damage>survival.

MBP · Oct 12, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50

well I lump em together..oh well

I've always referred to melee/frontline as tank along with many other players

also when you see people trying to form a party for anywhere and they want some kind of melee...it's GLF more need tank etc...even though they're not looking for an OF warrior.

just an observation

draxynnic · Oct 12, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by MBP

You can very easily control the enchantment striping. Once you recast PH it removes a enchantment...there's also something called timing...involves counting I've heard.

hey! guess what happens when you don't have any enchants on when pious haste ends?

nothing wow!

use it smart and it's no problem..besides you also want your enchantments to end sometimes.

It's not an insurmountable drawback, but it is a drawback.

Coloneh · Oct 12, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by MBP

well I lump em together..oh well

I've always referred to melee/frontline as tank along with many other players

also when you see people trying to form a party for anywhere and they want some kind of melee...it's GLF more need tank etc...even though they're not looking for an OF warrior.

just an observation

yes. these are the idiots that dont know what an OF warrior is. these are the idiots that think assasins suck because the generally cant take as much as warriors and all warriors should be running healing breeze and dolyak signet. dont lump yourself them. try to learn the difference between builds. its kinda REALLY important when trying to have a discussion and you are using a term that has a different meaning from what you wanted to say.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 12, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by MBP

Is there usually a melee in your h/h? or is the melee you?

On the left it says "Profession: D/"

I'll leave you to figure it out..

Tyla · Oct 12, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

yes. these are the idiots that dont know what an OF warrior is. these are the idiots that think assasins suck because the generally cant take as much as warriors and all warriors should be running healing breeze and dolyak signet. dont lump yourself them. try to learn the difference between builds. its kinda REALLY important when trying to have a discussion and you are using a term that has a different meaning from what you wanted to say.

warriors arent the only profession who can tank!:O
just...a little less effective in some cases

Coloneh · Oct 12, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

notice the word "generally" in my post, I play MS+DB+crit agility+crit defenses+mystic regen

I know how sins can survive

MBP · Oct 12, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

well you can think what you want
I know the difference between the builds
you can call a warrior/dervish a front-liner and I'll continue to call warriors/dervishes tanks even when they're not using OF. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.