Curse

CoonerTheRed · Jan 25, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

I haven't played my Lyssa bar in a while... I'm trying to remember how often I'm resorting to a normal swing. Is HoF necessary on a Lyssa bar? With this replacing HoF on a standard Lyssa bar you're looking at 3x 3-4 second recharge, 5e skills and one 10e deep wound, none of which are affected by HoF. Is it sustainable to simply spam the three 5e skills and use pious occasionally and very, very rarely normal attack?

Coloneh · Jan 25, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

no. you need an IAS. even if your using timed attacks.

Burst Cancel · Jan 26, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

I typically run Flail instead of HoF on my (PvE) Lyssa, since we're running /W anyway. Again, though, is that it's not worth the bar space, especially on Lyssa, just to bring a cover for Pious. Even if you're not running HoF, the next enchantment under that is going to be AoHM most of the time - unless the monk just protted you, which makes Pious even worse.

The point is, there actually aren't that many situations where you'd actually want an enchantment removed - Eternal Aura is about the only one worth taking, and that has a 30s recharge; not exactly on-demand. You can argue that any enchantment that's about to end anyway can be removed without losing much, but again, that's not on-demand either.

Finally, IAS improves all attack speeds, including attacks with activations. Further, IAS allows you to use attacks with better effects (e.g., Victorious Sweep, Wild Blow) without unacceptable speed penalties.

NamelessBeauty · Jan 30, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

It is good but the fact that it removes 1 enchant is kinda sux.

Derv is good when it has a lot of enchant. Less enchant = less energy/dmg.

Though very powerful running with [skill]Mirage Cloak[/skill]. Can be possible of 200 dmg in 1 hit - including deep wound dmg - 20% less HP (less than 1/4 sec beacause of 33% speed boost.)

Coloneh · Jan 30, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty

Though very powerful running with [skill]Mirage Cloak[/skill]. Can be possible of 200 dmg in 1 hit - including deep wound dmg - 20% less HP (less than 1/4 sec beacause of 33% speed boost.)

thats terrible for 25 energy...

Sirius-NZ · Jan 31, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

What about something like this?

[skill]Crippling Victory[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Pious Haste[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Not entirely sold on pstrike, but at the very least that's a pious assault lyssa build with an IAS and speed boost, but no enchantments at all. Flail requires adrenaline to keep going of course, but if you hit enough...

Bowstring Badass · Jan 31, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

What about something like this?
[skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Pious Haste[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Not entirely sold on pstrike, but at the very least that's a pious assault lyssa build with an IAS and speed boost, but no enchantments at all. Flail requires adrenaline to keep going of course, but if you hit enough...

anyway......

I wouldnt use crippling victory I would use mystic its another 3/4 skill.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 31, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

anyway......

I wouldnt use crippling victory I would use mystic its another 3/4 skill.

I just wouldn't use that god aweful bar full stop.

Coloneh · Jan 31, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

What about something like this?

[skill]Crippling Victory[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Pious Haste[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Not entirely sold on pstrike, but at the very least that's a pious assault lyssa build with an IAS and speed boost, but no enchantments at all. Flail requires adrenaline to keep going of course, but if you hit enough...

moar AOHM for PvE. alright for RA i guess...

MsMassacre · Feb 01, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

It's... okay. The added damage is still weak and the fast activation is sort of lost on a slow-recharging, expensive deep wound skill. What I'd prefer to fast activating deep wound is a fast activating high damage follow up!

The enchant loss is highly inconvenient. It's very hard to run an effective no-enchant dervish (esp in pve where there is AoHM) and applying an enchant just for this skill to remove is clunky, nullifying the fast activation part. I haven't seen a build yet that doesn't suffer for trying to work this skill in.

From a pve perspective, its recharge pretty much forbids it from my skill bar. I've tried w/d and d/w with flourish to solve that problem, and it doesn't really work. Also remember than deep wound is not nearly so important in pve as it is in pvp, since enemies have much higher hp totals and rely less on healing.

Sirius-NZ · Feb 01, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Oh... no, that's strictly a PvP bar. I don't know whether you could really work Pious Assault into PvE at all.

The issue is I haven't tested it either, which means you could quite likely run into problems... for instance, maybe Flail will actually be difficult to maintain, and I'm expecting energy management would be an issue too.

But that's the best I can come up with as far as bars that use that skill go; if you wanted to, you COULD use Heart of Fury and something like Rush instead, and just open the attack with Pious Assault before casting Heart of Fury ... but then there's the issue of whether the deep wound would last long enough.

Really, it's a pretty iffy skill. It's just too damn hard to find a situation (for a Dervish primary) where it's even a good idea...

Destromath · Feb 01, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Well this isn't really Derv primary, but I felt like sharing this anyway since it dealt with Pious Assault. A long time ago, I was working on an attack spam build, but it lacked Deep Wound, so I abandoned it. Now, it's coming back from the grave XD.

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill]Distracting Strike[skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Scythe Mastery: 12
Strength: 10+1+1
Tactics: 8+1

Warrior's Endurance works as the energy management to allow many attack skills, which is then taken advantage of by the several 3/4 and 1/2 activation time skills. This essentially leads up to a form of extreme IAS =D. Distracting Strike is pretty optional though. I just threw it in there for another 1/2 activation and as an interrupt for when needed.

Coloneh · Feb 01, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Destromath

Well this isn't really Derv primary, but I felt like sharing this anyway since it dealt with Pious Assault. A long time ago, I was working on an attack spam build, but it lacked Deep Wound, so I abandoned it. Now, it's coming back from the grave XD.

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill]Distracting Strike[skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Scythe Mastery: 12
Strength: 10+1+1
Tactics: 8+1

Warrior's Endurance works as the energy management to allow many attack skills, which is then taken advantage of by the several 3/4 and 1/2 activation time skills. This essentially leads up to a form of extreme IAS =D. Distracting Strike is pretty optional though. I just threw it in there for another 1/2 activation and as an interrupt for when needed.

warrior's endurance = no ias = fail

[DE] · Feb 01, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

warrior's endurance = no ias = fail

The point is that all your attacks are 1/2c speed so not having an IAS isn't that big of a deal. With a bar built like that you're able to constantly spam your attacks and keep full energy. There used to be a warrior hammer bar similar to it and it was amazing at putting out constant DPS.

Cherng Butter · Feb 01, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

warrior's endurance = no ias = fail

Actually, the quick activation skills simulate an IAS, so it works. I wouldn't put Pious Assault on the bar still though, because normally I slap Aura of Holy Might on there.

Coloneh · Feb 01, 2008, 06:17 AM // 06:17

short activation times are no excuse not to bring an IAS, that just makes em faster, and you can get in a few extra hits.

[DE] · Feb 01, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Yes they are. If all your attack skills are 1/2 and you can spam all three of them every 3-4 seconds it's perfectly reasonable to use Warrior's Endurance instead of an IAS stance

Pyro maniac · Feb 01, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

short activation times are no excuse not to bring an IAS, that just makes em faster, and you can get in a few extra hits.

it works, even without IAS
Is the first bar with WE that actually works ..

Destromath · Feb 02, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Heh, I was expecting people to point out that the major flaw was no speed boost, not that it didn't have an IAS >_>. Then again, this is the PvE forum and I mainly PvP... But yeah, like other people have posted, the point of the build is to simulate a better version of IAS through all of the activation time attacks.

The only 2 other strategies that I can figure out is to use R/D for Expertise, A/D for Critical Strikes, or simply D/any and use [skill=text]Zealous Vow[/skill]. However, R/D and A/D will lack Protector's Strike and Distracting Strike which will cause the build to lose offense albiet at the gain of having an IAS (Lightning Reflexes for R/D and Crit Agility for A/D) and not needing to use an Elite. The Zealous Vow version also gains an IAS (Heart of Fury), but requires an elite and a cover enchantment, which will limit the amount of attack skills it can use.

EDIT: What is with me and forgetting to mention things?... Anyway, if you desperately need an IAS, just use an Essence of Celerity XD. Unless you're strictly trying to save up on money, it shouldn't be much of a problem to buy a few of these every once in a while. It even helps with the recharges, allowing more attack spamming.

ectos taste nasty · Feb 02, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by TimTimTimma

I don't consider it's damage, recharge, activation time over powered in any kind of way. Dervishes NEEDED another non-elite way of spreading deep wound and it has been added.

HOWEVER

The fact that it can be used on any weapon is questionable....I do believe they will change it to a scythe attack however. I hope they do not personally, because it offers a non-elite deep wound that isn't conditional and does additional damage. This skill shows great promise on a warriors bar, ESPICIALLY a hammer warriors bar. I went through RA today and ran the following:

[skill]hammer bash[/skill][skill]pious assault[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]warrior's endurance[/skill][skill]bull's strike[/skill]

And it worked AWESOME.

It could use some work, but I am definitely thinking this has major potential.

Just used that,got 10 wins in RA. First try :P

GG