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~ Dan ~ · Mar 14, 2008, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Or you can use Intimidating aura, and still use this.

I never thought the worst dervish skill in the game would get a mention. Is PvP seriously this shit now?

Stormlord Alex · Mar 14, 2008, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

I never thought the worst dervish skill in the game would get a mention. Is PvP seriously this shit now?

As long as you can still LOLspike with Pious Assault, people will keep finding ways to shoe-horn it into stuff.

Turbobusa · Mar 14, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I don't see why this is shit since you have the same condition as chilling victory for it to trigger. You're just more predictable since your next hit will be the one to disenchant.

I like how people discribe skills they don't like as the worst ones just to make you appear as a noob and to feel super leet at the same time. Stop over reacting and being a jerk.

~ Dan ~ · Mar 14, 2008, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

i like to rant

It's 10 energy, and has a 20 sec recharge. And it removes just 1 enchant (conditionally). Are you telling me you can't find anything better for your bar?

Turbobusa · Mar 14, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

people used grenth's aura when it was 10energy and 15 seconds recharge. If you have less health than your target, chilling victory's bonus will not trigger, good chances you wont kill. Your point?

~ Dan ~ · Mar 14, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

people used grenth's aura when it was 10energy and 15 seconds recharge.

Grenth's aura is better because it does some AoE damage and the enchantment strip is nearby foes.

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Your point?

My point is it's just shit. Look at the skill. It's shit. I'm not putting it into any context or build, hell i don't even play the pious assault spike.

But look how many other, better enchantment strips are available. I heard mesmers are good. GW is a Team game, is it not?

Stormlord Alex · Mar 14, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

My point is it's just shit. Look at the skill. It's shit. I'm not putting it into any context or build, hell i don't even play the pious assault spike

It's pretty bad by comparison to other enchant removers; however, with one crucial advantage - it'll strip a prot automatically while you're spiking. Other enchant-strips don't activate like IA does, and are of less use to the Dervish who's spiking - you really, really don't want to stop mid-chain to Rend someone.

and you mentioned Mesmers - that's kind of the whole point of Dervspike, there's so much enchant-hate on the spike from both the Mezzies and the Dervs that the foe doesn't have a chance in hell of protting against it. With Grenth's having been Ether Renewal'd, IA does just what it needs to to step up and try and take the load on the Balth spikers.

edit: of course, it's 'myeh' now - with Pious toned down the spike isn't anywhere as near as scary.

Terraban · Mar 15, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Yeah...at least they ain't using Vow of Strength : /.

Everyone I know with a Dervish swears by it.

Darkside · Mar 15, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

I'd like to meet them...better then the garbage Balthazar builds I usually run into in pugs.

Terraban · Mar 15, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I can't stand playing with them.

They have no attack skills obviously...

6 defensive skills
Vow of Strength
Rebirth

When we get aggro, they run straight past all of the Warrior monsters, straight to the monks, dealing very little damage, and mitigating no damage at all.

Sirius-NZ · Mar 15, 2008, 06:21 AM // 06:21

...

VoS is pointless without additional buffs like AoHM, HoF and "I am the strongest"...

Darkside · Mar 15, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Terraban

I can't stand playing with them.

They have no attack skills obviously...

6 defensive skills
Vow of Strength
Rebirth

When we get aggro, they run straight past all of the Warrior monsters, straight to the monks, dealing very little damage, and mitigating no damage at all.

Well there is a difference between a good VoS build and a bad one... Obviously they need AoHM and "I am the strongest!" to up their damage. (like Sirus said) Balthazar on the other hand even when combined with good attack skills isn't as efficient as Lyssa, Melandru, and even Dwayna.

Brian the Gladiator · Mar 16, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Ummmmmmm... I'm pretty sure Balthazar is a great Avatar. Why?

I gives a massively long speed buff... (GREAT, no kiting from me)
It gives +40 armor (Every dervish needs an armor/health buff...)
It deals holy damage (shield swap if you want but you still cant add any additional armor)

There is nothing wrong with the elite skill at all imo

Mickey · Mar 16, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Ummmmmmm... I'm pretty sure Balthazar is a great Avatar. Why?

I gives a massively long speed buff... (GREAT, no kiting from me)
It gives +40 armor (Every dervish needs an armor/health buff...)
It deals holy damage (shield swap if you want but you still cant add any additional armor)

There is nothing wrong with the elite skill at all imo

Your right. There's nothing wrong, but there's nothing right either.

Coloneh · Mar 16, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Ummmmmmm... I'm pretty sure Balthazar is a great Avatar. Why?

I gives a massively long speed buff... (GREAT, no kiting from me)
It gives +40 armor (Every dervish needs an armor/health buff...)
It deals holy damage (shield swap if you want but you still cant add any additional armor)

There is nothing wrong with the elite skill at all imo

yeah! its great!

as long as you dont compare it to any other elite skills.

blockkiller · Mar 16, 2008, 09:45 AM // 09:45

AoL does more damage and more energy
AoD gives u nice selfheal and hexremoval
AoM gives more health and immunity to conditions
AoG sucks

Seef II · Mar 16, 2008, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Vow of Strength is made of fail. Balthazar's passable in some builds where you don't really want to think. With dspike nerfed I've been seeing Melandru come into play again. What does balth offer now that's better than Mel? :\

Sirius-NZ · Mar 16, 2008, 10:35 AM // 10:35

I take necro heroes and c-space when I don't want to think!

Spart · Mar 20, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I use AoB to run only because I don't have Factions yet. I run light areas like from Sunspear Sanctuary to Gates of Desolation etc. It works perfectly with remove hex, remove condition, and Healing Breeze. Haven't failed it once. When I get Factions soon I will up the ante to a D/A build with VoS etc.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 21, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

wait there is a good VOS build?
thats a new one to me