Curse

blue.rellik · Feb 20, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by Hundbert

Lax beat uF in the tour on observer mode now with avatars of balthazar. It only took 6 minutes. It looks like this build needs a nerf.

It's hardly meta breaking from what I've observed. I doubt it was because of the AoB that Lax won

Sir Pandra Pierva · Feb 20, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

its the spike.

the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.

I love the new pious its so nice.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 20, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

its the spike.

the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.

I love the new pious its so nice.

Doubt they would nerf it that much. But possibly they will nerf like 4 skills used with it like they did with SP sins.

Bassu · Feb 21, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

I'm afraid Attacker's Insight might be nerfed.

Darkside · Feb 21, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

its the spike.

the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.

I love the new pious its so nice.

What skills are used in the spike other then pious assault?

Bassu · Feb 21, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Chilling Victory, Pious Assault, Eremite's, with pre-casted Attacker's Insight.

Darkside · Feb 21, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Bassu

Chilling Victory, Pious Assault, Eremite's, with pre-casted Attacker's Insight.

That's what I figured...thx for the confirmation.

BaconSoda · Feb 24, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

First off, this is still going? I expected this to be closed 2 days after I opened it.....That or trail off...

2nd off:

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Originally Posted by Ensign

The change to Pious Assault broke Melandru's monopoly on Deep Wound. Without the tree, Dervishes lack a true go-to elite, and all your important abilities can be covered without spending your elite. All of the forms are on the table, as well as elites from any secondary you feel like bringing.

Avatar of Balthazar has a decent amount of PvP power; while it is up you can do anything you feel like doing. You're not going to blow up with 110 armor, and with the nerf to Pious Haste nothing can catch a Balthazar Dervish. The main knocks on the form are that it doesn't add any new abilities, and it doesn't really compress your bar - do you really want to play without a speed boost during the form's downtime? But in the absence of a killer elite, one that lets you run around and do anything you like has a lot of appeal, and I don't fault people for taking advantage of that at all.

This is constructive. This is a reason to use AoB. I opened with the a notion that it was already crap, no one needed to confirm that for me. I knew it. This, however, is a coherent argument about the effectiveness of AoB. Although I found the similes about Water Guns and Assault Rifles quite humorous, I think we can all agree that it was wasted Kilobytes. Everyone who registered on this forum, also, obviously knows that people will run things because they will. That doesn't need to be explained. Just registering the GWG shows that you have shown at least an attempt at making yourself better at this game, and we really shouldn't deign to point out the obvious to each other. There is no reason to just flame each other in a public thread, that is what private chat is for. So please, lets stay coherent and respectful of each other....I'm surprised we haven't seen any cats....

On that note, feel free to flame me (in private, that is), it's rather late and my english is getting less coherent by the minute...

And 3rd off:

continue

Tyla · Feb 24, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by Bassu

Chilling Victory, Pious Assault, Eremite's, with pre-casted Attacker's Insight.

Actually I think it was: Grenth's Aura -> Attacker's Insight -> Chilling -> Pious -> Emerties.

Hundbert · Feb 24, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I already posted the build a couple of pages back. If people would actually bother to read the thread...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...245976&page=13

Bassu · Feb 25, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Actually I think it was: Grenth's Aura -> Attacker's Insight -> Chilling -> Pious -> Emerties.

Grent's is a coherent addition to the build in overall. It's the spike that is powerful and used on basically every dervish bar - SP dervish, beguiling dervish, avatars' dervish (even Mel!). Grenth's is an addition for particular situations, not necessary for the spike itself.

Tyla · Feb 25, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Bassu

Grent's is a coherent addition to the build in overall. It's the spike that is powerful and used on basically every dervish bar - SP dervish, beguiling dervish, avatars' dervish (even Mel!). Grenth's is an addition for particular situations, not necessary for the spike itself.

Not necessary for the spike, but it's really strong in combination with Pious Assault.
Think about it - all nearby enemies lose an enchant when PA goes off...

Bassu · Feb 26, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

I'm not saying it isn' useful, just that it's not necessary for the spike itself, but whatever

LightningHell · Feb 27, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by BaconSoda

This is constructive. This is a reason to use AoB. I opened with the a notion that it was already crap, no one needed to confirm that for me. I knew it. This, however, is a coherent argument about the effectiveness of AoB. Although I found the similes about Water Guns and Assault Rifles quite humorous, I think we can all agree that it was wasted Kilobytes. Everyone who registered on this forum, also, obviously knows that people will run things because they will. That doesn't need to be explained. Just registering the GWG shows that you have shown at least an attempt at making yourself better at this game, and we really shouldn't deign to point out the obvious to each other. There is no reason to just flame each other in a public thread, that is what private chat is for. So please, lets stay coherent and respectful of each other....I'm surprised we haven't seen any cats....

The reason for no cats is because the posts so far, regardless of quality, were constructive in some way; i.e. it related to the thread topic, did nothing to do otherwise to derail it, nor was there any flaming.

On the topic, Avatar of Balthazar is now used because of Pious Assault. Previously, Melandru let you use Wearying Strike, which was an Eviscerate with Melandru but below average when you don't have Melandru. Pious Assault gave a different option for Dervishes to get a Deep Wound. Previously, it would've been pretty dumb to run Avatar of Balthazar, yes.

~ Dan ~ · Feb 27, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Because my man-Dervish looks bad with Dwayna's, Lyssa's, or Melandru's breasts and Grenth is a skinny nerd.

Don't be cheap, buy some nice armour, and use wounding strike.

moko · Feb 27, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Wounding strike is arguably the most useless *derv* elite with the buff to pious assault now.

FengShuiDove · Feb 27, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Don't be cheap, buy some nice armour, and use wounding strike.

I don't think you're following me ^_^. With the Avatars up the appearance is replaced with well, the avatar. Armor has no effect on how my man-Dervish is dressed up when he's got Avatars on him, and he doesn't like having lady lumps.

isamu kurosawa · Feb 27, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

I don't think you're following me ^_^. With the Avatars up the appearance is replaced with well, the avatar. Armor has no effect on how my man-Dervish is dressed up when he's got Avatars on him, and he doesn't like having lady lumps.

Hence him telling you to get nice armour and to NOT use a avatar

FengShuiDove · Feb 27, 2008, 06:01 PM // 18:01

From the op: "Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar?"

Just responding to the question =).

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 03, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

so man comments to make on the lady lumps thing but I wont.

Personally i have begun to like the AoB spike for PvP since it really hurts and its hard to kite it.......but other than that spike AoB is still a droks runner for me only.

Vow of Silence running is too easy i like to have a slight challenge since i only run friends and guildies now