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You can't see me · Feb 01, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

I don't we're hitting the nail on the head here.

Avatar of Balthazar is widely used because people are widely lazy. It allows them to run through mobs and have what they think is a useful bonus while fighting them. Sure, there are better running combinations if you want to run, but seriously, who wants to do all that clicking? Clicking every 5 and 9 seconds for Pious Haste and Vow of Silence is /lose in the eyes of the lazy player community when they can just push AoB and then "R" and basically sit back after that, aside from directing with the occaisonal tap of "d" and "a". Sure, they have to stop every 70 seconds and cast Eternal Aura, then AoB again, but stopping every 70 seconds is better than clicking 20+ times in that amount of time for VoS + PH. Is it better in the long run? No. It just caters to the lazy, which is what 90% of the community is. Now, if you're running it in PvP that just means you're ignorant, which, again 90% of the community is. Running AoB with H/H is just laziness. Running it with a PuG isn't very smart, considering you won't do much running, considering you'll probably be dead. Sure, some people do, but that's because they think popularity gives it a good rep, which makes it good. Not true, but hey, who thinks for themselves nowadays anyway?

~ Dan ~ · Feb 01, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

(if you failed to see the sarcasm - you don't need to be in a pro guild to have a clue, btw)

You should've left this out. We'd have a few days without his posts while he's trying to work out whether or not there was sarcasm

Coloneh · Feb 01, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

If the duration is at any point that would make AoG worth using - it will be overpowered. The whole functionality of the skill needs to be changed.

thats what i said!

except you fail less a typing than i do...

Div · Feb 02, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

I don't we're hitting the nail on the head here.

Avatar of Balthazar is widely used because people are widely lazy.

True.

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It allows them to run through mobs and have what they think is a useful bonus while fighting them. Sure, there are better running combinations if you want to run, but seriously, who wants to do all that clicking? Clicking every 5 and 9 seconds for Pious Haste and Vow of Silence is /lose in the eyes of the lazy player community when they can just push AoB and then "R" and basically sit back after that, aside from directing with the occaisonal tap of "d" and "a"...Running AoB with H/H is just laziness. Running it with a PuG isn't very smart, considering you won't do much running, considering you'll probably be dead.

Why does it matter when you're with heroes? You'd have to wait for your heroes to get there before engaging the next group anyways, so it's not like getting there faster helps. And in combat, you won't be running around much.

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It just caters to the lazy, which is what 90% of the community is.

It caters to the part of the community that likes seeing big statistical increases. Melandru+eternal aura caters to the smarter part of the lazy community.

You can't see me · Feb 02, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Why does it matter when you're with heroes? You'd have to wait for your heroes to get there before engaging the next group anyways, so it's not like getting there faster helps. And in combat, you won't be running around much.

Not everyone who H/H's fights every mob. Some people just run to the portal while the heros and henchman take the mob heat. DP in PvE is nothing, so it really doesn't matter from there.

LightningHell · Feb 02, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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This coming from the man who is posting in a thread why this skill and everyone who uses it sucks. Can you say, Hypocrite much? And I was using that as an example that most people on this fourm think they are the top 10% of guild wars when really they fall in the middle. they shouldn't call themselves experts. Last post in this thread by the way, don't want to start any trolling.

You were making a reference to only top guild players being able to comment (viability of such a measure aside), of which you do not qualify for, and he fulfills that requirement. I think it's valid of him to criticize that comment.

Dervish Kid · Feb 02, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

AoL (Lyssa) is better imo. I use [skill]avatar of lyssa[/skill][skill]conviction[/skill][skill]balthazar's spirit[/skill][skill]mystic regeneration[/skill][skill]Lyssa's Assault[/skill][skill]Aura of Holy Might[/skill] alone with 3 more attack skills depending on the situation.

Div · Feb 02, 2008, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Not everyone who H/H's fights every mob. Some people just run to the portal while the heros and henchman take the mob heat. DP in PvE is nothing, so it really doesn't matter from there.

Generally you wouldn't be "running to the portal" for more than the duration of one or two pious hastes. Even if you do, you still have something like drunken master. If anything, the speed boost is an argument for PvP, because you need to chase targets down.

Selket · Feb 04, 2008, 06:18 AM // 06:18

Avatar of Balthazar is probably the greatest form now that pious assault ownz.

And it looks the coolest.

Trust me, I'm pretty.

~ Dan ~ · Feb 04, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by Selket

Avatar of Balthazar is probably the greatest form now that pious assault ownz.

And it looks the coolest.

Trust me, I'm pretty.

You almost got me there

Sab · Feb 04, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

[skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill][skill]Chilling Victory[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Mirage Cloak[/skill][skill]Attacker's Insight[/skill]

balthamazar is big damage.

~ Dan ~ · Feb 04, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Needs 2 fillers.

[skill]Banish[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill]

Sirius-NZ · Feb 04, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Yeah - and if you need more survivability, consider swapping heal party for healing breeze. You could go mystic regen but that'd leave you open to power block and stuff... so yeah the more attributes the better.

~ Dan ~ · Feb 04, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

You could go mystic regen but that'd leave you open to power block and stuff... so yeah the more attributes the better.

Dw, nobody plays mesmers

blue.rellik · Feb 04, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Dw, nobody plays mesmers

I bring PBLock on my warrior and interrupts all the other warrior's healing breeze. ur goin duwn

Necrotic · Feb 04, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I actually took the time to read through most of the posts here in this thread and the one thing I kept seeing was the various comments on how its soo bad and that Conviction and Pious Haste are better replacements for AoB.

But the OP failed to mention that AoB is capped in Kourna....while Conviction and Pious Haste are not buyable until the Mouth and Gate of Torment, respectively.

I suppose it is expected that all players have completed NF already with one character and have the amount of gold and skillpoints available to simply unlock all non-elite skills immediately for their just created Dervish and just need to powerlevel to 20. Either that or it's expected of new players to have completed the campaign within a few days of creating their first character.

Understand I am basing this off of the info available on wiki about the skills....so if Conviction and Pious Haste are available as a capture elsewhere in Kourna...then I wouldn't feel as though it is once again people criticizing other players essentially for not being "elite" enough to have the other skills.

So yeah....maybe they run an AoB build because they haven't finished the game yet.....or maybe they just aren't "elite" enough to realize there are better options yet.

Sirius-NZ · Feb 04, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

It usually makes the most sense to consider skills from an end-game perspective, considering you spend most of the time there.

If AoB is the only elite you have access to, it's possibly reasonable (although some people have said having an empty space is better, they are presumably joking there); though myself I still think it would be easier and more effective to cap Avatar of Lyssa and use it with Heart of Fury instead. All the Avatars can be found at about the same time in the game.

Surena · Feb 04, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

The Whammo's End:

"For 10...74 seconds, you gain +40 armor, you move and attack 33% faster, and your attacks deal holy damage. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds"

~ Dan ~ · Feb 04, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Surena

The Whammo's End:

"For 10...74 seconds, you gain +40 armor, you move and attack 33% faster, and your attacks deal holy damage. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds"

Cool. You now have an unstrippable IAS that's up 2/3 of the time, coupled with a nice armour bonus. This buff has been discussed already..

LightningHell · Feb 04, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

That would be insane.