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mrmango · Jan 31, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Personally, I still use AoB. I have my own rights to use it

Why state the obvious?

BaconSoda · Jan 31, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Because it doesn't seem so obvious with all the AoB newblets runnin around

Sirius-NZ · Jan 31, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Please don't talk about PvP, but in PvE I guess you're right.

If you've seen an effective enchant-stacking build in PvP feel free to enlighten me... I've run into obsidian tanks there myself but they pretty much just sat there getting ignored until all their team-mates were dead.

Arkantos · Jan 31, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

If you've seen an effective enchant-stacking build in PvP feel free to enlighten me... I've run into obsidian tanks there myself but they pretty much just sat there getting ignored until all their team-mates were dead.

What do you think a monk does when a teammate is getting spiked/pressured? They don't attempt to only out-heal the damage, they start protting the ally (SoA, PS, SB, etc). A grenth dervish easily removed all the enchantments, making the target much easier to kill.

Pyro maniac · Jan 31, 2008, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

If you've seen an effective enchant-stacking build in PvP feel free to enlighten me... I've run into obsidian tanks there myself but they pretty much just sat there getting ignored until all their team-mates were dead.

[skill]Avatar of Grenth[/skill] + [skill]Wild Blow[/skill] > [skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill]

DarkGanni · Jan 31, 2008, 01:18 PM // 13:18

I see AoB useful for areas with undead or running not much else tho.

- Ganni

Arkantos · Jan 31, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

I see AoB useful for areas with undead or running not much else tho.

- Ganni

VoS runner > AoB runner
AoHM > AoB

Stormlord Alex · Jan 31, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

I see AoB useful for areas with undead

In areas with Undead, Aura of Holy Might does the same thing, except x1000 times better.
That is, if AoHM isn't stapled to your bar anyway (which it really ought to... the damage increase is silly)

KalleDamos · Jan 31, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Lets remeber for a second which skill came first people. lets also remeber that most of guild wars does not care about your opinion that AoB sucks, and most people will run it anyways because they enjoy to use it. It does not matter what you think, only what they think. Also one last thing, this is the section of the form for PvE discussion, so any arguments about PvP are kinda null and void, as well as being useless and stupid.

bpphantom · Jan 31, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

People will remove AoB from their bars when they get somewhere they can't get through. They'll experiment and find a build that works for that area/mission.

Normally for everything I'm a [skill]Vow of Strength[/skill] dervish, but I've used AoB and other elites and entire other skill bars and secondaries when it made getting through an area or mission easier (or even possible in rare cases).

There may also be some subconscious word association going on. Balthazar is the Tyrian god of battle and war, etc. So why wouldn't that be the best Avatar for melee? It's arguably terrible, but based on the thought process behind the naming, why wouldn't it be amazing?

/shrug

People learn through losing and DP.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 31, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by KalleDamos

Lets remeber for a second which skill came first people. lets also remeber that most of guild wars does not care about your opinion that AoB sucks, and most people will run it anyways because they enjoy to use it.

But those people also think they are good at the game - and that's where experts' opinions do matter, like it or not.

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Also one last thing, this is the section of the form for PvE discussion, so any arguments about PvP are kinda null and void, as well as being useless and stupid.

This is a profession forum. As far as i remember, a dervish can be used in PvP.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 31, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

This is a profession forum. As far as i remember, a dervish can be used in PvP.

Well, truthfully the Campfire is a 'PvE' forum, but as there is no specific forum for PvP solo-builds (I believe such threads are closed in Glad's

) and single skill discussion, PvP stuff gets talked about here.

KalleDamos · Jan 31, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

But those people also think they are good at the game - and that's where experts' opinions do matter, like it or not.

okay, everyone raise your hands if your in the roster of the top 10 GvG guilds, that means acctivly playing ing GvG, also anyone raise your hand if you have won any offical tournoments lately? No? Then I see no experts' here. It is this kinda of mentality that seems to radiate off these fourms.

AoB is used because people enjoy to use it, play around and experiment. So tell me what is wrong with the concept of the skill that it gives you Holy damage which ignores armor, a good speed boost and extra armor. Tell me what is wrong with it without comparing it to another skill, because I know there are better and worse skills.

kosh · Jan 31, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty

Guys -,-"

- The 33% running speed is nice to chase a target which is nice in PvP but crap in PvE unless you are talking about excaping.
- The Holy dmg make it so the Ele dont have advantage of + armor vs Elemental and War dont have advantage of + armor vs Physical.
- +40 Armor so you can be a tank!

Ok now talking about why this skill is so crappy. It's because most of the bonuses it gives is not relavant.

- Holy dmg: Can be useful but Judge's Insight is much better in PvP. In PvE, no need to talk, melee was never a good thing in PvE (I talk about HM and such.)
- +40 Armor: To be honest why need this crap? If a War can tank better?
- 33% Speed Boost: A stance will be better for this, waste an elite just to run is stupid in PvP. In PvE you don't need to run, just use Essence of Celerity will do more than enough.

Why noobs run it a lot? Because they need to run fast, kill fast for missions? Esp without using a brain?

yeah...

ppl that by there avatar jun 08 should not call other ppl nobbs cough cough

beside.. yeah like the rest uninstall ftw for you.

flclisgreat · Jan 31, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

it doesn't ignore armor. that is why i used AoB, but after i found out that it doesn't ignore armor i quit

Utaku · Jan 31, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

One more time, holy damage coming from attacks does not ignore armor.
All it does is getting around warriors' and rangers' armor bonuses and double damage versus undead. And this can be done with non elite skills.

Edit: flclisgreat was quicker than me

Stormlord Alex · Jan 31, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by KalleDamos

AoB is used because people enjoy to use it, play around and experiment. So tell me what is wrong with the concept of the skill that it gives you Holy damage which ignores armor, a good speed boost and extra armor.

Long story short, the buffs are not strong enough to spend your elite skill on. (and it can be argued that AoB is used because people are new/bad at the game and don't know better)

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Tell me what is wrong with it without comparing it to another skill, because I know there are better and worse skills.

A retarded thing to try and do. By definition, how 'good' a skill is, is by comparison to other skills that can be used to achieve something similar, or whatever. Healing Breeze is a bad skill because it is energy ineffecient, slow to heal, etc. What says it is slow and inefficient? Dwayna's Kiss does.
If there were no other skills that heal people, then Healing Breeze wouldn't be 'bad' - because it's the only skill that can heal and therefore is not bad by any standard, because there is no standard of bad. However, in Guild Wars, it's plain to see that Healing Breeze is a worthless pile of shit, because just about every other healing skill is better.

Similarly, if there's no comparisons... Then AoB cannot be bad. Using it does not make you suddenly explode and automatically fail. By being under the effects of Balthazar, you are not 'weaker' then you are without it.
However, that's pure retardation. Balthazar is a bad skill because it is incredibly weak for an elite, you will be a much stronger character with a different elite.

edit and I missed the thing about Holy damage ignoring armour.
lolol
AoB does not make you ignore armour.

Pyro maniac · Jan 31, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by KalleDamos

okay, everyone raise your hands if your in the roster of the top 10 GvG guilds, that means acctivly playing ing GvG, also anyone raise your hand if you have won any offical tournoments lately? No? Then I see no experts' here. It is this kinda of mentality that seems to radiate off these fourms.

AoB is used because people enjoy to use it, play around and experiment. So tell me what is wrong with the concept of the skill that it gives you Holy damage which ignores armor, a good speed boost and extra armor. Tell me what is wrong with it without comparing it to another skill, because I know there are better and worse skills.

go run balthazar if you want. I don't care. It is still bad tho

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everyone raise your hands if your in the roster of the top 10 GvG guilds

Except for Masunume and Ensign, they don't come in campfire, (Hope I didn't forget anyone).
I normally won't say it, however SMS alliance can be considered as experts as well, with far more knowledge then you would ever get. Also individuals like Alex are 'experts in PvE'.

KalleDamos · Jan 31, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Yeah, his definition of expert and mine are differnet, and I'll leave it at that.

moriz · Jan 31, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

well, you can "define" an expert as someone in the top 10, but the fact remains that there are still plenty of people more experienced than you, and you ought to listen to them.

of course, you can just spout another one of your "it's all your/mine/their opinion" crap. that still doesn't change much though. truth is truth, and the truth is, avatar of balthazar is not THAT effective, especially compared to avatar of melandru and avatar of lyssa.