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Burst Cancel · Jan 20, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

No, Ursan is a hell of a lot stronger. Not for any DPS reasons but because it pretty much can't be shut down except by skill disable or heavy edenial. It doesn't care about conditions, most hexes, blocking, or spell immunity.

If AoB was like, "Your attack skills become non-spell, non-attack skills", then you'd be getting close to Ursan.

BaconSoda · Jan 21, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by horseradish

I believe you're one of the more competent persons on this forum. XP

Thank you

Although I might be able to think of a few people who might think differently.

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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

I'm not saying I use any of that .. but
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game That IS a possibility you know?

Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..

In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there. XP

There are plenty of better dervish skills available at the point where AoB is capped. Avatar of Dwayna is far superior in terms of defense, and I found it easier to cap than AoB, and if you just need an elite to fill a spot on ur bar Reaper's Sweep is right next door and definitely beats AoB.

If all you're doing is mashing buttons and clicking ur mouse, I think YOU are new.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Or maybe...just MAYBE, older players are running this too? When you're talking about bad players and bad skills, you're talking about players in general, and not just about new players. New players will run bad skills because they don't know better. Take a look on the forums, you'll see people who have been playing since 05/06 running crappy bars. They're not new, they're not uninformed, they're just bad. Those are the players we're, and most discussions about bad players and skills, are talking about. XP

That's what I was talking about when I was starting this thread.

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Originally Posted by Darkside

On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using. XP

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

Much as I'd like to see 33% IAS, it'd be ... basically a super-leeroy build. You could pretty much run that, a bunch of attacks and nothing else (Eternal Aura and a res obviously, but still).XP

That'd be nice, but it'd probably be safer to also bump the armor down to +20 and a nice Avatar of Grenth duration with the buff, but it'd be totally worth it.

Darkside · Jan 21, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by BaconSoda

Thank you

Although I might be able to think of a few people who might think differently.

There are plenty of better dervish skills available at the point where AoB is capped. Avatar of Dwayna is far superior in terms of defense, and I found it easier to cap than AoB, and if you just need an elite to fill a spot on ur bar Reaper's Sweep is right next door and definitely beats AoB.

If all you're doing is mashing buttons and clicking ur mouse, I think YOU are new.

That's what I was talking about when I was starting this thread.

That'd be nice, but it'd probably be safer to also bump the armor down to +20 and a nice Avatar of Grenth duration with the buff, but it'd be totally worth it.

Was going to add that as well that to balance out Balthazar they could lower then al bonus to 24 so that it's on par with conviction...and yah poor Grenth if that avatar had a longer duration there might actually be a point in using it in some situations...as it is right now it's pretty much useless.

Sirius-NZ · Jan 21, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Grenth probably should get a duration at least on par with Dwayna and Melandru - even then I don't think I'd use it, but it at least wouldn't be such a laughing stock.

Enchantment removal is rarely a big deal, either in PvE or PvP (where people that stack enchantments on themselves are stupid anyway).

bpphantom · Jan 21, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I used it for the first level of Shards of Orr for getting to Gadd's camp. I may well use it when I go back to actually do Shards completely (though I'm still leaning towards Mel for that).

Otherwise, you do look freakin' cool while it's on. Very "meh" elite.

Sirius-NZ · Jan 21, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

...no, definitely use Melandru for Shards of Orr, just take a holy damage conversion enchantment on top of it. It'll work much better because you won't be getting blinded and doing no damage all the time.

Yes, AoB does look pretty cool. Sadly that's one of the best things about it. :/

Coloneh · Jan 21, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

Enchantment removal is rarely a big deal, either in PvE or PvP (where people that stack enchantments on themselves are stupid anyway).

the trouble with grenth was that it removed enchantments before attacks hit with no effort. paired with wild blow there was absolutely no way to prot the target of a grenth devish. A grenth dervish was ridiculously overpowered in HA/GvG before they nerfed it.

Washi · Jan 22, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by bpphantom

Otherwise, you do look freakin' cool while it's on.

It looks bad imo, Grenth is waaaaay cooler, even tree looks better, not to mention normal derv without avatar. Too bad dwayyna and lyssa look like crap.
But it's all about taste, some people like it some don't, for me baltazar is awful.

Sirius-NZ · Jan 22, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

I like Dwayna, personally, although I do agree that Lyssa looks a bit ... off.

Darkside · Jan 22, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

I like Dwayna, personally, although I do agree that Lyssa looks a bit ... off.

Yah I agree, always thought Dwayna was one of the nicest looking avatars...Lyssa unfortunately is not as nice looking...I think Lyssa is probably the strangest looking of the five.

horseradish · Jan 22, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

I like how Lyssa's head looks and the overall color scheme, but i do not like the little bulging panties. >__>

Mark Nevermiss · Jan 22, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Avatar of Lyssa + Radiant Scythe ftw

iridescentfyre · Jan 22, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by horseradish

...but i do not like the little bulging panties. >__>

I've always felt that looked a little ...suspect... as well.

Yuhe Ji · Jan 23, 2008, 02:35 AM // 02:35

The only reason I have ever found for using Avatar of Balthazar was for the holy damage, since some missions require fighting undead. For standard play PvE, I much prefer Dwayna and Melandru.

Coloneh · Jan 23, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Yuhe Ji

The only reason I have ever found for using Avatar of Balthazar was for the holy damage, since some missions require fighting undead. For standard play PvE, I much prefer Dwayna and Melandru.

Aura of Holy Might is better in this situation.

blue.rellik · Jan 23, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Personally I would take AoB over Ursan but that's simply because I hate Ursan more than anything else in the game (only other thing that comes close is Obsidian Flesh tanking).

~ Dan ~ · Jan 23, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

I'd rather take a decent skillbar over both of them.

Coloneh · Jan 23, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

id rather take AoB. because then you can have 7 good skills. Ursan kills your skill bar.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Jan 23, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

lol ursan is for lazy warriors and lazy warriors alone any other class runnng it should just un instell gw right now.

Obby tanking needs to f'n die already.

The only use I found for AOB was running from beacons to droks.

I know VoS is better but i like this way cause its funny how few people actually relize that AoB is bad so they think you are pro and give tips on top of pay many times, plus its more fun that vos if you ask me. VoS is so dull there is no skill required anymore for a dervish to run droks.

blue.rellik · Jan 24, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

I'd rather take a decent skillbar over both of them.

but aob maeks me runnn fast!!! and it gives 40armur so worriars kant kil me!