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Forgotton200 · Dec 14, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I had [Victorious Sweep] equipped and my E-friends told me that I had to replace it for [Eremite's attack]. When I asked why, they said because PvX saids so and they couldn't explain any further. If I had the two option and had to pick one, why would eremite's attack be more preferred?

Victorious sweep can do up to 33 damage and gain up to 83 Health but eremites attack is anywhere from 10 damage ~ 30 damage, depending on how many mob is present. I do see the adjacent but when I use H/H, most are scattered so I don't get the benefit of it.

Eremite's attack also has a cast time but victorious sweep has none. I'm wondering why I should follow PvX and use eremite's attack over it.

Nightmares Hammer · Dec 14, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Forgotton200

Eremite's attack also has a cast time but victorious sweep has none.

This. Eremite's cast time is ¾ second, while victorious' is 1.75 seconds. (the time it takes to swing a scythe while auto-attacking)

Oh, and your friends are baed.

Tyla · Dec 14, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

I prefer Eremites because it allows me to put more damage within a small window of time.

zelgadissan · Dec 14, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Personally I generally use Victorious. I never seem to trigger the extra bonus on Eremite's - my positioning apparently sucks with him. Also, since I'm almost always under IAS whether it be Drunken Master or Heart of Fury, the attack time isn't near as bad.

I'm not arguing against Eremite's - it's awesome, and it's honestly the better choice due to activation time - but I personally like having the two strong hits of Victorious and Wild Blow, then I have Mystic for my quick hit. I don't mind being inferior to enjoy how I play, at least on a PvE standpoint.

ac1inferno · Dec 14, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

[[Eremite's Attack] would be used in PvP for the faster hit, which means a lot. Not so much in PvE, so you can stick to [[Victorious Sweep] for the bigger hit.

Truegen · Dec 14, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Stick with Victorious Sweep man...ac1inferno makes the main point that Eremites = Fail outside of some sort of PvP spike skill. RARELY will you ever be able to achieve max damage on Eremites because any mob you take on that has enough enemies will more than likely not be adjacent to you to take the beating

Victorious = Consistent Damage + Health Gain = Win

MegaVolti · Dec 14, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Go with the 3/4s attacks. They allow you to attack in 3/4s as opposed to 1.75s with normal scythe attacks. It's a huge gain in DPS and always worth bringing.

-Lotus- · Dec 14, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Victorious sweep puts down some ridiculous bonus damage and has a self heal. eremit's adds a little to a spike, not much to overall DPS really.

I would go with victorious.

Snow Bunny · Dec 14, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Victorious automatically reaches the amount of damage Eremite's can in optimal circumstances.

Considering this is PvE, everyone advocating Eremite's is wrong.

Forgotton200 · Dec 14, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

I read everything and decided to stick with this,

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

[[Eremite's Attack] would be used in PvP for the faster hit, which means a lot. Not so much in PvE, so you can stick to [[Victorious Sweep] for the bigger hit.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Nightmares Hammer · Dec 14, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Forgotton200

I read everything and decided to stick with this,

Thanks for the help everyone.

Why did I already know you'd take the bad advice?

Bowstring Badass · Dec 14, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

Why did I already know you'd take the bad advice?

Victorious is bad in PvE? -.-

Honestly go with victorious because mobs in pve tend to scatter from aoe.

Forgotton200 · Dec 14, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

Why did I already know you'd take the bad advice?

I took it for the lulz.

Nightmares Hammer · Dec 14, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Victorious is bad in PvE? -.-

Honestly go with victorious because mobs in pve tend to scatter from aoe.

It's not about scatter. It's about DPS.

Mr Emu · Dec 14, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

It's not about scatter. It's about DPS.

And there's a decent chance Vic will have the higher DPS, almost guaranteed with an IAS

Snow Bunny · Dec 15, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Nightmares Hammer

It's not about scatter. It's about DPS.

Victorious has higher DPS.

Eremite's from any standpoint pve-wise is superior.

Cebe · Dec 15, 2008, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Eremite's came to fame because of Avatar of Lyssa; being able to strike a foe in quick succession means you might be able to hit more during the cast time of skills, either that or you can use your skills "like interrupts" and try to hit during the casting of a skill.

For general PvE play outside Avatar of Lyssa builds, I've seen no need to take Eremite's over Victorious. You may not need the health return from Victorious, but it's there if you do, not to mention hitting 3 foes means you gain up to 3 lots of health. As previously stated the bonus damage from Victorious Sweep is unconditional, the only downside to the skill is the fact it is no quicker than usual.

I always felt that Victorious Sweep being used under an IAS is still better than Eremite's Attack under most circumstances. The only downside to hitting slightly slower in PvE I can see if you may be more prone to interrupts such as Distracting Shot or Cry of Frustration, but in the grand scheme of things, it's nothing to worry about.

Sirius-NZ · Dec 15, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

An argument could be made for reduced attack-time skills like Eremite's Attack even without Lyssa if you needed to make a spike quickly... but this being PvE, it isn't really going to matter.

MegaVolti · Dec 16, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Reducing attack time DOES matter in PvE. Stop giving crappy advice pls :/
Eremite's Attack is a free 60% IAS for one attack. It just is totally awesome and can not be beaten by any other scythe attack.
That being said ... in most bars it is no problem at all to bring both 3/4s attacks AND Victorious Sweep. Those 3 attacks and an Avatar are the best start for good Derv builds (plus the usual enchs).

Cebe · Dec 16, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by MegaVolti

Reducing attack time DOES matter in PvE. Stop giving crappy advice pls :/

Are you going to give any examples of when such a vastly reduced attack time on one attack skill that isn't an interrupt is so valuable? Exception, of course, being Avatar of Lyssa builds given those have already been covered.

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Originally Posted by MegaVolti

Eremite's Attack is a free 60% IAS for one attack. It just is totally awesome and can not be beaten by any other scythe attack.

One skill, 60% faster, every 4 seconds doesn't seem that hot to me.

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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

An argument could be made for reduced attack-time skills like Eremite's Attack even without Lyssa if you needed to make a spike quickly... but this being PvE, it isn't really going to matter.

Emboldened for emphasis. PvE isn't about spiking individuals, it's about how fast you can slaughter massive herds of monsters; at least so this forum would make out.