Curse

iVendetta · Jan 23, 2009, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

A W/P could go [Remedy Signet] if he wanted to...

You combine [Heart of Fury] with a couple attack skills backed by [Ebon Dust Aura], and I'll be calling you ugly and you won't know if you are.

Bobby2 · Jan 24, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

So I heard good Dervishes don't do Earth Prayers

Tyla · Jan 24, 2009, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I once ran a D/P Blindbot bar in a GvG!

Verene · Jan 25, 2009, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Honestly? I have a Warrior, an Assassin, and a Dervish. I don't do PvP (as that bores me) so my opinion might be a bit different, but in PvE you can basically do whatever combo you want and be able to get through things so it's all about setting up what you find to be fun.

And playing a Warrior is just plain boring to me. I almost never touch that character because of how boring I find it. My Assassin gets a lot of play and was my first character that I got to level 20. And it's certainly a fun class, and teleporting all over to attack is fun, though the low armor can screw you up pretty easily.

My Dervish, though? Probably my character with the most play. Honestly, it's just a lot of fun. There's so much flexibility in what you can set up with enchantments. Energy management is not difficult at all, scythes are effectively melee AoE, it's easy to take care of the low armor, and just changing one or two things on your skill bar can give you a completely different build.

The only profession that I see as being nearly as enjoyable and fun to play with as a Dervish is Ritualist, and it's for the same basic reason, how flexible the profession can be.

So unless you want to be the super-best in PvP, then just play around and go with what you personally find to be the most enjoyable.

iVendetta · Jan 25, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

So I heard good Dervishes don't do Earth Prayers

So I heard you would be an imbecile to drop a line of defense, healing, and condition galore.

Destructionmama · Jan 26, 2009, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

So I heard good Dervishes don't do Earth Prayers

not really, it totally depends on what team you're in, a good nuker team with a dervish running around blinding everyone is pretty scary.

But most people does prefer scythe attacks like reaper sweep though, since it rips enchantments when health is above 50% and cause deep wound under 50%, with some superior runes in Scythe mastery dervish can be really good spikers.

OT: personally after reading this thread, I think there's really no comparison between warrior sin and derv. All have their pros and cons in their own ways, in the hands of an expert all 3 could be pretty effective in their own ways.

And Derv does look cooler imo, warriors are explosive muscles about to be bloated out of their thick armor and sins are just anorexic. Dervs are just right

I end this note with 1 word: Balance

(Think about it)

Bobby2 · Jan 26, 2009, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I once ran a D/P Blindbot bar in a GvG!

Felt leet didn't it?

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

So I heard you would be an imbecile to drop a line of defense, healing, and condition galore.

Defense. Healing. Top priorities for any DPS character. Not to mention [wounding strike] doesn't cut it as far as conditions go.

/sarcasm off

So I heard only trollers without valid arguments resort to name-calling.

Seriously, if your team is so bad that you'd want to spec off Scythe Mastery (= damage) or Mysticism (for IAS duration) for it, I have nothing but pity for you.

iVendetta · Jan 26, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Defense. Healing. Top priorities for any DPS character. Not to mention [wounding strike] doesn't cut it as far as conditions go.

You're telling me you wouldn't mind not always having to rely on a monk? And I use Wounding Strike on my Dervish who also relies on Earth Prayers. It is just a good add-on to have.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

So I heard only trollers without valid arguments resort to name-calling.

...Pardon my terminology, but it was the most respectable way of saying "idiot". I didn't think something of that nature would really top your lid.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Seriously, if your team is so bad that you'd want to spec off Scythe Mastery (= damage) or Mysticism (for IAS duration) for it, I have nothing but pity for you.

I don't always do.

Tyla · Jan 26, 2009, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Earth Prayers is only worth using in EDA bars or OBFlesh Tanks. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.

Bobby2 · Jan 26, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

You're telling me you wouldn't mind not always having to rely on a monk? And I use Wounding Strike on my Dervish who also relies on Earth Prayers. It is just a good add-on to have.

No, what I'm telling you is that Earth Prayers suck. I really wonder what skill(s) you're talking about, because from my point of view they're all too crappy to consider spending a slot on.

'I don't always want to rely on a Monk' has since ages been used as an excuse for people to take the most terrible of skills... skill bars, even. But if tanking is what gets your juices flowing, who's to stop you

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

...Pardon my terminology, but it was the most respectable way of saying "idiot". I didn't think something of that nature would really top your lid.

Don't worry about it

Onion Guy · Jan 28, 2009, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Imo, Dervish for PvE, War for PvP. In PvE you can maintain forms full time, and you have better self heal then a war. In PvP you often need the monk to heal you, and you don't have much prep time when attacking, a war can charge and just attack, in some builds jus spamming attack skills using the high armor for defense.

fatelord · Jan 28, 2009, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Just got warrior's endurance and can test my scythe warrior to its full potential now ..._I did some testing on a PVP character before_.

The damage the war deals so far is very high ..not as high as a conjure dervish but is surprisingly close ..Build is
Warrior's endurance
Power attack
Counterattack
victorious sweep
zealous sweep
sprint_would be replaced later by AOTHF.
lion's comfort
Res signet.

The energy management on a warrior is waaaaay better though i spam the attacks like hell without even watching my energy bar ..sad fact remains the utility on the WE scythe isn't much_no KDs no decent DW_ it is all about damage ...

I think the assassin is the better one at using scythes ..still the three classes are very very close so this whole topic was unnecessary ..I take the blame:P.

Cebe · Jan 28, 2009, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by fatelord

no decent DW

[[Pious Assault] is OK on a Warrior, though the recharge time is quite unhelpful.

Tyla · Jan 28, 2009, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Onion Guy

Imo, Dervish for PvE, War for PvP. In PvE you can maintain forms full time, and you have better self heal then a war. In PvP you often need the monk to heal you, and you don't have much prep time when attacking, a war can charge and just attack, in some builds jus spamming attack skills using the high armor for defense.

The forms are only taking over a Warrior or Assassin when there's a mad amount of anti-melee in the area - conditions? Assassin. None or one melee and using PnH? Warrior.

Self-heal? We have Monks. Use defensive utility if you want to help the survivability of your party, self-heal is only good in solo farm builds, splitting builds and when it has more than the self-heal.

@Fatelord: Too much energy management, too little IAS. WE is a skill meaning it will stack with a stance, WE should be giving you an immense amount of energy. IAS attacks will be good aswell by fitting as many attacks into a small frame as possible, with Strength and possible +damage in the process.

fatelord · Jan 28, 2009, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Tyla

@Fatelord: Too much energy management, too little IAS. WE is a skill meaning it will stack with a stance, WE should be giving you an immense amount of energy. IAS attacks will be good aswell by fitting as many attacks into a small frame as possible, with Strength and possible +damage in the process.

You're absolutely right ..i was just messing around forgot to add a stance
WE
flail
power attack
counterattack
victorious sweep
aura of the holy might
save yourselves
res signet

i think that will make the best possible PVE scythe warrior ....it is weird how they gave one of the best energy management moves to the warrior...the dervish could really use a skill like that ....mysticism is well and good ...but WE blows it to Tokyo ...

Shadowfox1125 · Jan 28, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

So I heard you would be an imbecile to drop a line of defense, healing, and condition galore.

Other than more damage output with a WE Scythe warrior, this is exactly the reason why Warriors trump Dervish. Dervish require skills for defense and self-heals for survival while warriors have inherently more armor and as a result, don't use skills for self-heals (at least they shouldn't have to).

Bobby2 · Jan 29, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

[[Pious Assault] is OK on a Warrior, though the recharge time is quite unhelpful.

It's so easy to stick a DW on Hayda, why bother.

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Originally Posted by fatelord

..sad fact remains the utility on the WE scythe isn't much_no KDs no decent DW_ it is all about damage ...

I wouldn't call DW utility

As for KDs, it's not like you would have gotten them playing a Derv.

Lastly

[protector's strike] > [counterattack]

[any of them OP PvE skills] > [res sig] (rezzing is a heroes' job.)

fatelord · Jan 29, 2009, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Protector's strike is better than counterattack in PVP ..where everyone moves around and tries to kite ..after trying it for a bit in pve ...nobody moves ...that's why i stuck with counterattack ..despite having double the recharge time..

daze · Jan 29, 2009, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Where is your AoE knockdown?

[wounding strike][conjure lightning][whirlwind]

you could easily put that in your build at 5 energy and 8 second recharge, its very spammable.

Or if you like the d/w you could
[wounding strike][wild blow][none shall pass]

just use [[none shall pass] while kiting to make sure the enemies are moving.

Let me simplify what everybody else is trying to say..
A/D = Uni-tasker [way of the master][critical eye]
W/D = Uni-tasker [warriors endurance]
D/X = versitle [wounding strike][avatar of lyssa][reapers sweep][ebon dust aura][arcane zeal][order of pain][vow of silence]

Question: in typical sin scythe builds, do they look like this. [way of the [email protected]][aura of holy [email protected]][critical [email protected]][critical [email protected]][critical [email protected]][eremites [email protected]][mystic [email protected]][reapers [email protected]]

BTW i think the [way of the assassin] nerf blows chunks.

fatelord · Jan 29, 2009, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Nobody said that the war beats the Dervish at everything ...We are talking here about their efficacy at wielding scythes ..u should make a PVP character and try the burst of aggression power attack counterattack wild blow combo ....you will see how warriors are ungodly with these attacks ..