Curse

reaper with no name · Aug 26, 2009, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

It works only with a scythe.

I checked now wiki, didn't know that weapon's holy damage doesn't bypass armor. This means that in HM there's little difference between using a max bow and a little req.3 bow, since almost all our "damage" is life stealing and armor-ignoring bonus damage from a PvE skill.

If holy weapon damage was armor-ignoring, there would be no such thing as non-scything melee characters.

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

This also means that Asuran Scan is useless because, if i remember correctly, the % is calculated on the base damage. It's better "I Am the Strongest" IMHO.

I don't know about that. How much armor do most HM enemies have? Hmmm...I think I hit something like 60 on average to a drazach thicket caster with my scythe in HM (not counting the lifesteal from my vampiric scythe). Lemme do some math here.

Dmulti=1.2*1.15*1.57 (not max asuran rank) = 2.167

DR = 64 + 28 (not rank kurz) = 92

RD = 25*(1-.196) + 41*1.41*(.196) = 31.431

AE = 2^((92-X)/40)

ED = 31.431*2.16*2^((92-X)/40)=68.098*2^((92-X)/40)

Ok, seems like if X is 95, the avg dmg is about 59. Most things in drazach thicket are lvl 26, which would seem to indicate that casters in HM get +5 armor per level over 20 in HM. In fact, I once heard someone specifically say this on this forum. So a lvl 30 caster would have 110 armor. 40 armor translates to half damage taken, so an additional 10 would mean 1/4 of 50% damage taken over that. So lvl 30 casters in HM should take .5+.25*.5 = 62.5% less damage than the raw damage of a weapon would indicate.

If marksmanship is 12, then obviously a max bow is in order, so avg dmg against 60 AL would be 21.5*(1-.17)+28*1.41*(.17) = 24.557

Reduce that by 62.5% and you get 24.557*(1-.625) = 9.209

Ok, I stand corrected. Asuran Scan is less effective than "I Am The Strongest!" I'll have to start using that. And damnit, that means yet another title for me to grind. And I'm only 30% of the way through kurzick...

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Originally Posted by Swahnee

I also searched for some other useful attribute instead of Marksmanship, but i didn't find anything. Maybe some utilities from Earth and Wind, but we have now a lot of attribute points to invest. (Maybe we can bring a pet, like a B/P with a dervish :P)

Ideas?

You could go with a pet, or you could go with defense in the form of Conviction and Armor of Sanctity. I'll probably do the latter, just so I can justify to my lazy butt not maxing out my norn rank (I'm only 30% of the way through kurzick after a couple of months, and I haven't even really started on asura or sunspear yet).

The best way to spread the attributes would probably be:

12+1+1 Mysticism
9 Marksmanship
9 Beast Mastery or Earth Prayers
3+1 Wind Prayers

Also, I've confirmed that indeed, 4 wind prayers is enough to fuel the build so long as you use attacker's insight properly.

Pugs Not Drugs · Aug 26, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

there was a bow derv with aog on pvx. it got rated >2.5 and was welld

Swahnee · Aug 26, 2009, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

If holy weapon damage was armor-ignoring, there would be no such thing as non-scything melee characters.

Indeed

Quote:

The best way to spread the attributes would probably be:

12+1+1 Mysticism
9 Marksmanship
9 Beast Mastery or Earth Prayers
3+1 Wind Prayers

Also, I've confirmed that indeed, 4 wind prayers is enough to fuel the build so long as you use attacker's insight properly.

Well, i'd say that if you are in HM you could completely stop to worry about marksmanship, use a little req.3 bow, and put the full 12 points in beast mastery.

Let's try it. Suppose to hit a foe with 100 armor with a 15-28, 15>50, custom. bow, 12 marksmanship, the damage is 10-19 (14.5 average).
Suppose that you have 9 marksmanship, the damage is 8-15 (11.5av).
Suppose that you have a 11-18 bow, 3 marksmanship, the damage is 3-6 (4.5av.).

So passing to a 11-18 bow you will lose 7 damage per hit (and also the bonus damage from Volley), and gain some more damage from your pet (an higher chance of scoring a critical hit in fact). So i'd say that your suggestion for the attributes is the best.

Found the build on PvX:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/R_Grenth_Volleyspam

don't know however why they put it into trash builds.."no meaningful changes have been made to it for over 4 weeks" what does it mean?

reaper with no name · Aug 26, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Well, I added a meaningful change to it's talk page and removed the abandoned tag. Maybe someone will take the changes I suggested to heart.

Swahnee · Aug 27, 2009, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Ok i checked the discussion page of that build, good advices..

Hope that someone else will try out that build, because i think it's nice..

reaper with no name · Aug 27, 2009, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Ok, I tried it out with "I Am The Strongest!", and now I'm hooked. It's definitely worth it.

So now Crabbycakes (my pet crab) accompanies me as I spike stuff to death.