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Stealth Bomberman · Jan 29, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

I mainly see this in pve. pvp dervs seem to be doin alright i guess, but who would you really take in high end pve areas and HM? a derv or a war? seems like derv builds are very limited while wars have many builds to choose from that not only do great dmg but also help the party in some way.

who would do better or even have a higher chance of getting accepted in high end pve areas, derv or war?

Grim Aragorn · Jan 29, 2010, 04:22 AM // 04:22

we were running some UW balanced (HM)the other day and i was frontlining on my derv, no bonds or anything, full windwalkers insigs. running a zealous vow build, with decent monks didnt have any problems, died once on 4horsemen. I have also ran my derv in DoA nm with heroes and a buddy and it does fine there.

some people dont acknowledge them as being able to high end pve, but given the right armor setup and skillset they can do just as fine as a warrior, not to mention they look badass

FoxBat · Jan 29, 2010, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

who would do better or even have a higher chance of getting accepted in high end pve areas, derv or war?

sin?

12chars

obsidian ectoplasm · Jan 29, 2010, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

. pvp dervs seem to be doin alright

someone doesn't PvP

Worldbeater · Jan 29, 2010, 06:51 AM // 06:51

I personally love Derv. A short while after the release of NF, I permanently demoted my warrior and made my new derv my primary char.

They are extremely versatile if you don't rely too much on established builds and are willing to experiment with all secondary classes, and, in some cases, weapon classes. Relatively high energy regen(compared to warriors) and adjacent damage with every scythe swing more than makes up for the lack of the strength attribute and absorption rune to me.

That having been said, I still play my old warrior some, and the primary char on my second account is still a warrior. It is a fun class and the armors are awesome

*Edit* Just realized I completely ignored the question. I do fine in high-end pve with both. It just depends on the build and who the group leader is.

Zodiac Meteor · Jan 29, 2010, 07:03 AM // 07:03

For me, Dervish.

A ER infuse with great dwarf weapon on my bar I love any profession that can pump AoE and knocklock mobs.

Warrior has AoE attacks like triple chop, cyclone and whirling attack, but they might not always be axe warrior. That's why I love dervishes.

jackinthe · Jan 29, 2010, 08:20 AM // 08:20

wars have manlyway speed clears
if you get desperate enough on a derv, you can use consumables to sf for soosc etc

Nechrond · Jan 29, 2010, 08:43 AM // 08:43

If you use a protter hero, Mysticism is like Soul Reaping except that it also heals. Yeah, I love my Dervish in PvE. I haven't tried PvP with him yet, I'm going for 1337500 XP first.

Stealth Bomberman · Jan 29, 2010, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

sin?

12chars

i have to agree here, but i need something new. @ obsidian ecto: currently pvp retired. whenever i used or saw dervs in pvp they ripped sht up. i guess thats just me

Luminarus · Jan 29, 2010, 02:23 PM // 14:23

I personally prefer warrior, but havent done much high end pvp recently. I just find that if a scythe is required a warrior can dish out more pain with WE Scythe then a derv can, and if u need another weapon it can do that as well.

Verene · Jan 29, 2010, 03:47 PM // 15:47

My main is my Dervish, but I deleted every Warrior I've made except for the last one (who I settled on axes for). Not a fan of Warriors at all.

I love Dervishes, though. I do pretty much everything with her, with few problems. People complain about the primary attribute being weak, and used to agree with it, but now I'm not so sure. It triggers when any enchantment ends on you. If you're doing any sort of later/high-end PvE, you're going to have a prot Monk in your group (if you don't, you're a fool). I've got Mysticism giving me extra health and energy pretty much constantly

They're also quite flexible in the options that each attribute gives (Earth Prayers allows you to inflict damage, heal, tank, cause conditions...name another attribute in the game that allows all of that. I don't think you can).

I've only really done low-end PvP (RA, JQ, etc - I don't have any interest in high-end PvP), but I did quite well with my Derv in there.

Dervishes are great and my favorite profession in the game.

Pleikki · Jan 29, 2010, 04:09 PM // 16:09

As said before. Loads of Balanced HM elite area builds ive ran had Dervishes on em.

Sure theyre not generally used in pugs, but in most decent guilds that does balanced
ppl are using em..

_Nihilist_ · Jan 30, 2010, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Moving this out of Dervish and into Campfire since the OP's question involves 2 professions...

Kopa The Demon King · Mar 02, 2010, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Im a dervish main, and i love them, but I'll be one to say I'd take a warrior in place of a dervish for the simple fact of there are maybe 4 or 5 GOOD dervishes that i know, One of them is Me (only reason i say it is because ive been told it otherwise i wouldnt count myself) and honestly unless its one of the five, no id take a good warior.

Dervishes when played right however will be much easier on the monk.

In GW includeing player skill id take a warrior any day

If it was just based on GW skills id bring a dervish, because their means of tanking is inflicting weakness/blind on foes, and weakness/blind is GREAT for teams incase agro is lost.

PREFERABLY i would take a warrior tank, and a dervish midline with EDA and Armor of Sanctity (some nice blind/weakness spread) surviveable tank holds aggro and maybe casts some bleed/deepwound, and thew dervish uses hard hitting scythe attacks.

trclamp · Mar 03, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

well, if ur talking about speed clears where ppl use hundred blades wars, no space for dervs at all.

But if its just general pve with no particular team builds, I think dervs are better than wars. Dervs have better dmg than wars in pve, for example, using melandru in soo to hit an average of 400+ dmg or to hit destroyers around 200.(tho you need a smite to provide key enchants) In my opinion, dervs are like melee eles in pve: wounding strike+chilling victory+mystic sweep=300~400 dmg and deep wound in HM(not those vaettir who got like 180 armor), and you can hit 3 if you group them. If you wanna help ur team, u can consider bring "save yourself", even tho it costs 8 adrenaline, but thats only like 4 secs if you keep hitting 3.

Bloody Dominator · Mar 03, 2010, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by trclamp

If you wanna help ur team, u can consider bring "save yourself", even tho it costs 8 adrenaline, but thats only like 4 secs if you keep hitting 3.

A bit less then 4 secs even

fairyblend · Mar 26, 2010, 05:13 AM // 05:13

i used dervish for a month after i created it. and i noticed that you cannot be damage too much if you keep armor of sanctity on, it works well in PvE Hm or Nm and even in PVP!! the only prob is if its enchant gets remove thus making dervish weak in defense. i read the info about derv in some website and it says that, Derv are like paladin that can do damage and at the same time cover their lack of defense through buffs.

try this if you want to tank: Viel of thorns *to keep monster at you so that they wont run around even if one of you team mates get too close*, armor of sanctity and finally pray that they dont remove you enchant.

to answer the question, people cannot realize how good dervishes are when it comes to PvE tanking like a war and a good spike like a sin, though they dont have interrupts and Knock down there is always a 2nd profession to try to accommodate those lack of skills.

Arrogant Bastard · Mar 26, 2010, 06:54 AM // 06:54

With a proper backline and enough buffs, all melee damage dealers (with good builds) will be effective in any part of the game.

Doesn't change the fact that Dervs are outclassed by Sins and Wars.

Bobby2 · Mar 26, 2010, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by fairyblend

AoS

Scythesins have the option of taking it too, but they tend not to. Why oh why

mage767 · Mar 31, 2010, 07:29 PM // 19:29

No, dervish get no love. Why? Because Kormir is a paragon and hates dervishes. But why???

1. Remember, Varesh was a Dervish...
2. Kormir did not bless the dervish with 'Avatar or Kormir' but the other gods have.

Until there is unanimous vote among the GW gods, dervish will never receive the buffs they need to outclass other frontline classes...

/end sarcasm