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theslyr · Feb 09, 2010, 12:10 AM // 00:10

ok so ive been trying to make a dervish build that does the same thing as the A/D but for primary D. and suggestions would be helpful.

thxs

edit: heres a couple experiment builds i made
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edit: i have all the campaigns and i can get watever skills it just seems tht dervs are so underpowered comapred to R/D or A/D

maxxfury · Feb 09, 2010, 12:24 AM // 00:24

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/any_General_PvE_Dervish
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/any_General_PvE_Avatar

Pugs Not Drugs · Feb 09, 2010, 12:27 AM // 00:27

this is evidence on how underpowered primary dervs are

this guy needs help on finding a build that does a better job than another profession doing his job better than him

maxxfury · Feb 09, 2010, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Or of how OP sins and WE wars are?

**Marty Silverblade** · Feb 09, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Post what you've got so far, and which campaigns you own. Don't just expect us to know everything about you or to just feed you builds (Read the General Campfire Guidelines before posting).

maxxfury · Feb 09, 2010, 12:39 AM // 00:39

If you want to be spaming the 1/2activation attack your gonna need some energy managment badly, especially if your want to keep up Aohm.

Suggest Zealous renewal, heart and fury(drunken stance) and save yourself be stapled to your bars.

reaper with no name · Feb 09, 2010, 12:48 AM // 00:48

The build you're looking for does not exist. Trust me, I've been searching for it ever since I started playing the game, and it's just not out there.

No matter what you do, you will never be able to meet or beat the damage output of a scythe sin. Sorry.

Oh, and you can forget about beating the scythe warrior, either, unless you've either got an ER healer constantly spamming shield guardian (or otherwise having one enchantment end on you per second) on you (in which case, you can take WS instead of zealous vow), or if you have red rock candy as your IAS (then you can do slightly more damage than a scythe warrior, but only just, and he's still got significantly more armor, especially when stripped, which is when armor really becomes relevant in HM). But outside of those two situations, there is no way you can match a scythe warrior in damage.

I have the relevant calculations, if anyone is interested. What's really sad about it is, I've done them so many times that I've memorized some of the parameters.

maxxfury · Feb 09, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

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This, but, maybe can help him become the best derv he can be? :P

Even if it wont be the optimal scythe damage output, its still pretty solid? right?

Cuilan · Feb 09, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Dervish are fine. They can SY as they scythe.
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/W_Attack_Spammer
By Ural's Hammer instead of AoHM when with AP MoP.

Dervish are good runners.

theslyr · Feb 09, 2010, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxfury

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/any_General_PvE_Dervish
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build

/any_General_PvE_Avatar

ive tried running the general derv but i die so easily

maxxfury · Feb 09, 2010, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by theslyr

ive tried running the general derv but i die so easily

You need better backup then, suggest you micro prot spirit onto your self from a hero, turns anyone from a squishy into a 'tank'

Or you need to take it it little slower and make a better judgment on pulling, agro management and mob size.

theslyr · Feb 09, 2010, 01:27 AM // 01:27

ok so i also was trying to do a DoA but i couldnt find a build for the crit scythe sin tht was for a derv. so ive been experimenting but rly cant find anything tht would beat a sin or ranger at damage output and dont wanna rush thru nf with my sin.

Cuilan · Feb 09, 2010, 01:35 AM // 01:35

If you want to DoA on a dervish with a non-tank build, you'll need NM with good monk or ER eles with a cleaner/SoH player. DoA is not melee friendly. I'll say it again, you have access to SY.

reaper with no name · Feb 09, 2010, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxxfury

This, but, maybe can help him become the best derv he can be? :P

Even if it wont be the optimal scythe damage output, its still pretty solid? right?

Yeah. Sorry if I came off bitter there. It's just that I always depress myself whenever I run the numbers.

As a dervish, your best options for damage are the various zealous vow builds, due to their ability to spam quick activation skills in rapid succession. And don't underestimate the benefits of SY!. It's one thing a scythe sin can't do better than a dervish (I use that fact, as well as the downsides that come with Warrior IASs, to keep myself sane while playing my dervish).

If, however, you want to take your dervish into places like DoA, you are probably going to have to change things up a bit and go with a tank build like the Obisidian Dervish. This stuff should be up on PvX wiki.

theslyr · Feb 09, 2010, 03:23 AM // 03:23

thanks alot guys/gals

the one thing about obsidian dervs is im also looking for some damage output for a doa heroway

maxxfury · Feb 09, 2010, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper with no name

Yeah. Sorry if I came off bitter there. It's just that I always depress myself whenever I run the numbers.

^^ You didnt, but i feel your pain with my main mes ^^

Nechrond · Feb 09, 2010, 08:01 AM // 08:01

My Dervish is /P. In areas with lots of weak foes grouped together, you can use Go for the Eyes! and watch everything go splat.

vBeryl · Feb 09, 2010, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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That is what I use on my dervish and it works incredibly well in casual PvE.
(By Ural's Hammer can be switched to any other skill, such as an ebon ward, ebon assassin support, YMLaD, just some examples.

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(Without By Ural's Hammer)

theslyr · Feb 09, 2010, 05:28 PM // 17:28

ok thxs guys ill have to try all these suggestions
one more question tho is there a way to make an obsidian derv deal alot of damage?

_Nihilist_ · Feb 09, 2010, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Sliver Armor is probably the best bet for dealing damage on an Obsidian Flesh Derv.