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Lishy · Feb 19, 2011, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Say hallo to one of the most broken general PvE tanks in the game!

With Pious Renewal you can permanently mantain Kinetic armor with no drawbacks. That is a perma +60 armor!!!
If that isn't enough, we have Veil of Thorns which reduces spell damage by a shit loads.

All this while not taking away from offense whatsoever! Throw on Aura of Holy Might and Pious Renewal with maybe one more teardown for enchantment juggling craziness.

Is this build insane or what?

tl;dr: Kinetic Armor is perma-mantained no problem with Pious Renewal and Veil of Thorns makes not even spells break you!

Haggis of Doom · Feb 19, 2011, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I'm not an expert of tank 'n spank, but doesn't anywhere worth tanking also has a crapload of enchant stripping?

May have farming applications however, nice find

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Originally Posted by Lishy

This is for general PvE and it does not sacrifice offense. Quite the contrary..

10 spec in a worthless attribute (for the derv anyways) is quite a big sacrifice.

Lishy · Feb 19, 2011, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Haggis of Doom

I'm not an expert of tank 'n spank, but doesn't anywhere worth tanking also has a crapload of enchant stripping?

This is for general PvE and it does not sacrifice offense. Quite the contrary..

Dre · Feb 19, 2011, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Add pious concentration for anti-interrupt ^^

FoxBat · Feb 19, 2011, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Main problem is keeping kinetic up between battles. Because stopping for 3s to cast a skill is definitely a hit to your offense. Pious Renewal lasting exactly 8s is going to be an issue if you don't have an out-of-combat teardown. I don't think this is for pious renewal builds, but could easily go on a derv build with a 6r or 2+ 10r flash enchants.

The second problem then is speccing into earth magic, and whether giving up wind/earth prayers is really worth it, when you could be using mirage cloak or attacker's insight which are also teardown food.

Edit: forgot you could recast renewal @ 8s even if its been extended. >_< Small energy tax for not ending renewal but it should work fine. In a PR build you can skip wind/earth prayers and afford some earth magic.

Lishy · Feb 19, 2011, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Foxbat, use an enchantment extension weapon. You will never have to ever cast kinetic armor EVER unless it gets stripped. Bring Pious Fury to instantly recharge Pious Renewal if all hells breaks loose.

Xsiriss · Feb 19, 2011, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Vow of Piety+ Intimidating Aura is a world better for general PvE.

novawhiz · Feb 20, 2011, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Hi,

With Deadly Paradox you can permanently maintain Shadow Form

"Say hallo to one of the most broken general PvE tanks in the game!"

Lishy · Feb 20, 2011, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

Hi,

With Deadly Paradox you can permanently maintain Shadow Form

"Say hallo to one of the most broken general PvE tanks in the game!"

SF doesn't let you deal +60 armor ignoring AoE damage and high scythe damage with ease.

Try it out before comparing it. And who uses SF in general PvE?

novawhiz · Feb 20, 2011, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Lishy

SF doesn't let you deal +60 armor ignoring AoE damage and high scythe damage with ease.

Try it out before comparing it. And who uses SF in general PvE?

Who needs a tank in general pve?

And yes you can deal plenty of armor ignoring damage while maintaining SF. And theres this nifty part of SF that protects you from spells. +60armor doesnt do squat when you are being raped by mes/nec/ele damage and hexes

chuckles79 · Feb 22, 2011, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

Who needs a tank in general pve?

Really?!.....

Why would you need a tank = If it wasn't for my horse.....(massive aneurysm)

Lishy · Feb 22, 2011, 10:08 PM // 22:08

I don't see why people doubt this build before trying it out.. This cuts the monks' needs to heal you in half! And of course, it doesn't reduce your overall damage either. Is a free +60 armor really that bad?

Josiphos · Feb 22, 2011, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Please list your whole bar and skill allocation.

FoxBat · Feb 22, 2011, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Kinetic works fine on any Pious Renewal bar. Actually it would fit on any other bar that can afford some to spam at least 1 enchant every 9 seconds. You can just spec 6 earth and 13 mysticism for +44 armor. You might be able to drop mysticism a bit more depending on your attacks skills, PR is quite an energy engine. The key is that flash enchantments don't slow you down, and thus kinetic is not a big deal to maintain between combats as it would be with any previous build.

People will come in and point out "lacks SY" or "lol tanks" and it will thus never end up on PvXWiki, but if you want extra self-protection for whatever reason, this is a fairly cheap option.

Lishy · Feb 22, 2011, 11:32 PM // 23:32

[Lishy Mury's Skills;OgajkopLrSbXSXPXcfib9gygmCA]

Attrs:
15 scythe
10 earth magic
11 mysticism

Happy armoring :3

novawhiz · Feb 22, 2011, 11:45 PM // 23:45

im not sure i understand. You take an average scythe build and just randomly tag along kinetic armor for +60 armor. Why?

Lishy · Feb 23, 2011, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

im not sure i understand. You take an average scythe build and just randomly tag along kinetic armor for +60 armor. Why?

Because it is a combo which isn't obvious at first but works very well in action?

novawhiz · Feb 23, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Why does a derv need +60 armor? Im not understanding it. If i had a derv in my team id rather they just focus all their attributes and effort on dealing some kick ass damage. I dont need them wasting anything on buffing their own armor and health/regen.

Maybe i just dont play derv enough, do you have trouble staying alive? Heros/henchies have never had a problem keeping me alive

Cuilan · Feb 23, 2011, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I don't see it as a combo and if they can keep an assassin or warrior alive, they can keep a dervish alive. I also don't see Kinetic Armor that great or in an attribute that would offer much else.

Chthon · Feb 23, 2011, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Let's see. Go /E for +60AL to self, or go /W for 100AL to the other 7 party members. Durr...