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Avatar Exico · Jun 15, 2012, 04:20 PM // 16:20

I thought of this I was curious now that armor reduce on HM with Hp increase and I was curious would avatar's elemental damage dealt increase on HM, mean like Lyssa is Chaos, Balth is Holy, Grenth is Dark etc.. wondering if those damage types increase on Hard Mode. haven't tried it. I want ask if anyone else has.

Thank you.

Drk Dervish · Jun 15, 2012, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Avatar Exico

I thought of this I was curious now that armor reduce on HM with Hp increase and I was curious would avatar's elemental damage dealt increase on HM, mean like Lyssa is Chaos, Balth is Holy, Grenth is Dark etc.. wondering if those damage types increase on Hard Mode. haven't tried it. I want ask if anyone else has.

Thank you.

I don't think so or they would post it as an update notice. Also they try to make HM a bit harder due lot of solo/sc farming (but we always find some other build hehe). Anyway if they also increase the damage output wouldn't that defeat their own logic of making it a bit harder?

Avatar Exico · Jun 15, 2012, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Only reason got idea because other elemental damage like Spiteful Spirit, all mesmer spells now hit harder after update than before and LB spell hits harder and I wonder if concept works with Avatar Forms for Dervish.

loopysnoopy · Jun 15, 2012, 07:23 PM // 19:23

As far as I am aware the update that made HM harder was reduced armour levels increase Health. Elemental damage from any source deals some large packet damage but I have not tested this out with the avatars but my guessing is they should increase in damage depending tho

Windbow · Jun 15, 2012, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Your bread and butter physical damage is also armor respecting, so it shouldn't make a difference

Relyk · Jun 16, 2012, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Avatar Exico

Only reason got idea because other elemental damage like Spiteful Spirit, all mesmer spells now hit harder after update than before and LB spell hits harder and I wonder if concept works with Avatar Forms for Dervish.

You are mistaken. Shadow damage is armor-ignoring, which is what Spiteful Spirit is. The mesmer spells and LB spells are also armor-ignoring. The update makes such armor-ignoring skills less effective. Avatar forms don't make a difference since chaos/dark/holy are typeless damage and the only applies to an enemy's innate weakness, which wasn't changed. It has nothing to do with the hard mode update.

Premium Unleaded · Jun 16, 2012, 02:33 AM // 02:33

There might be a slight increase in damage from the autoattack contribution because the base armour of hard mode mobs have been lowered a bit, but that's about it.

ogre_jd · Jun 16, 2012, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Relyk

You are mistaken. Shadow damage is armor-ignoring, which is what Spiteful Spirit is. The mesmer spells and LB spells are also armor-ignoring. The update makes such armor-ignoring skills less effective.

Basically, only Physical damage (Blunt, Slashing, Piercing) and Elemental damage (Fire, Earth, Lightning, and Cold) are affected by armor levels. Any damage type (including typeless damage and life steal) that is not one of those 7 specific types are not affected by armor levels.

KotCR · Jun 16, 2012, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Avatar Exico

mean like Lyssa is Chaos, Balth is Holy, Grenth is Dark etc.. wondering if those damage types increase on Hard Mode. haven't tried it.

Well, I'd wager that Balth probably does do more damage to the likes of undead now, seems they've always been weak against holy damage and light damage anyway; With reduced ALs it's going to hit them even harder.

However, Chaos and Dark damage in all cases just use the targets physical armour level rating anyway (these are the damage types linked to Wands, not the types linked to spells, that's Shadow and a different Chaos-type, which are armour ignoring as has been stated), so they aren't likely to do any more damage than you'd do anyway since the update.

To be honest, the new damage types of the Avatar forms given in the Dervish update seems more to do with preventing Conjure Element (or other elemental triggers like Spinal Shivers or Mark of Rodgort) usage, and causing incompability with Mark of Pain/Barbs, than anything else .

Xenomortis · Jun 16, 2012, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Basically, only Physical damage (Blunt, Slashing, Piercing) and Elemental damage (Fire, Earth, Lightning, and Cold) are affected by armor levels. Any damage type (including typeless damage and life steal) that is not one of those 7 specific types are not affected by armor levels.

This is incorrect.

All base damage done from an attack is armour sensitive, regardless of type. This means the Holy damage from a wand, the elemental damage on a weapon, and the Chaos damage done from Avatar of Lyssa are affected by armour.

Avoid thinking about damage types as being armour sensitive and armour ignoring; it's a helpful generalisation but does sometimes not hold.
For example; Splinter Weapon deals physical damage but is armour ignoring and Holy damage from spells ignores armour, but Holy damage from attacks is armour sensitive. Bonus damage on attacks always ignores armour, even if typed (Conjure Flame/Lightning/Frost for example).

Life Steal and Life Drain are separate from the standard damage mechanic.