Curse

Yanman.be · Sep 01, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by dargon

Ok, allow me to poke a few holes

1) Show me another class in the game that can apply as many conditions as an assassin can without the aide of their secondary? The only condition that ISN'T in the assassin class is weakness

You forgot burning and disease. Besides, Paragon and Dervish will overcome the sins condition-wise I think.

Ah...PvE. Some idiots better stay at that, because it's too hard for them. Other idiots should be less ignorant.

PvE is so goddamn easy. All it takes is 1 guy with a brain.

animat0rsp0rk · Sep 01, 2006, 08:03 AM // 08:03

As an assassin i totally agree. people just wont party with me because they think im the typical n00b assassin. A warrior tried to prove to me that im a noob by offering me a 1v1 Scrimmage. To his surprise, he got owned. Heart of shadow, deaths charge, caltrops, jungle and jagged... he was sever artery and gashing me.... But seriously.. all my time as assassin im always trying to prove that not ALL assassins are mindless tanks that think theyre warriors..

Silver_Fang · Sep 01, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by animat0rsp0rk

As an assassin i totally agree. people just wont party with me because they think im the typical n00b assassin. A warrior tried to prove to me that im a noob by offering me a 1v1 Scrimmage. To his surprise, he got owned. Heart of shadow, deaths charge, caltrops, jungle and jagged... he was sever artery and gashing me.... But seriously.. all my time as assassin im always trying to prove that not ALL assassins are mindless tanks that think theyre warriors..

I think you should ignore him, 1 vs 1 scrimmige show nothing about noob or not.

capblueberry · Sep 01, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

I don't care if it's a steriotype or not, I reject all assassins flatly and without exception.

As has been mentioned before, someone who is bad at one of the core classes is still benefieting the group in thier own way. Not as much as a good player obviously, but they rarely are hurting the group. A bad (typical) assassin does nothing but hurt the group.

Honestly, if you don't want to hench half the game and spend twice as long finding groups as other people, delete your assassin and make something more useful.

well ive alrdy filled up all my character slots and the only ones i haven't used are ritualists and mesmers, both which are considered "sucky", so i went ahead and made the profession that i actually wanted to play

Samuel Dravis · Sep 01, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Some assassins are good. I had two good ones in Arborstone the other day - of course, they were using Recall, which is the ONLY reason I let them in. A/R crit barrager is a good combo too, like the R/N Touchie. The difference between a crappy ranger and a crappy assassin is the ranger is far back enough to not die instantly...

I find it interesting how many people don't think mesmers are effective - I think they're one of the most effective primary and secondary classes, in addition to their primary attibute being useful for almost every spell in the game. Mesmers = pwn.

easyg · Sep 02, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Oftentimes, stereotypes are rooted in a certain amount of truth. When people say that assassins rack up DP and become useless, they are generalizing, but the generalization is generally true. Heck, I've seen it with my own eyes.....

Two nights in a row, I tried to get masters on the Nephui mission and attached myself to random PUGs. I played my Rt/N as a healer cause that's what PUGs like. Both nights, there's an assassin on the team; and both times, the assassin was the first to die and quickly got to 60dp. I don't want to bother with the grim details, but let's just say that it is nearly impossible to a dagger assassin alive once he has a good bit of DP, and DP comes quicker and easier to an assassin than any other profession.

My point is just this. I'll bet every PUG player with more than 50 hours of game time in Cantha has seen an assassin rack up 60 DP and become a useless turd. So when people say "assassins suck," they are stereotyping obviously, but no one should doubt that the stereotype is based on real observations.

Demesis · Sep 02, 2006, 08:05 AM // 08:05

I think the few ways to get accepted into groups is to get titles. My assassin has both the protector of Cantha title and Grandmaster Cartographer of Cantha. When I wear those titles, people know I mean business. Not to mention I'm wearing black 15k imperial. All the 300k I've earned so far was with my assassin. She's an awesome trading avatar.

Yanman.be · Sep 02, 2006, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by Demesis

Not to mention I'm wearing black 15k imperial.

Like armour shows how good you are? That's like saying: yey, I got fow, let's hold halls now for centuries.

Skuld · Sep 02, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18

15k kurzick or plastic bag seitung yanman, what would you choose?

sagebirt · Sep 02, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

"i love being in a minority"

Demesis · Sep 02, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Like armour shows how good you are? That's like saying: yey, I got fow, let's hold halls now for centuries.

It's a symbol of how much dedication and time and money I am willing to spend on an assassin. I know a lot of people who have assassin characters are not willing to invest time and money into them, because they are not dedicated.

Having the black 15k armor, people know that I am simply not fooling around with some build, or PUG.

Yanman.be · Sep 02, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

True. But I don't care about fancy armour. Does that make people like me bad players? I spend alot of time on my sin. About 99% of the time since I made him. I don't have the urge to dress'm up. He's pink because my girlfriend treats my characters like barbie dolls.

Skuld, I'd choose whatever is cheaper. That way I have money left to improve my playstyle.

Skuld · Sep 02, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I meant if you were had a choice of 2 'sins without knowing anything about them, not your buying it, sry lol

seven · Sep 03, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

On top of that, if you wont play a mesmer or sin as their primary, why the hell are you playing one in the first place? If all you can do is spam barrage or throw fireballs on a clumped up group, why are you playing the profession that was made for shutting down/assassinating key enemies?

it is amusing to see narrow-mindedness in the builds allowed party selection. the attitudes about each other is mutual though, they certainly wouldn't want to go with a party that has a prejudiced kind of thinking that being non-primary based role just shouldn't be done.

it is just the same as labelling classes in a very limited box of roles they should only play; which really is a counter to creativity in builds, for different types of gameplay. did the ones who invent the SB/55 monks accept the fate that they should not tank and just heal and protect? did the touch rangers confine themselves to plinking away with arrows at long range where they should be?

bad players and bad attitudes are both the problem.

TaiClaw · Sep 03, 2006, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

True. But I don't care about fancy armour. Does that make people like me bad players? I spend alot of time on my sin. About 99% of the time since I made him. I don't have the urge to dress'm up. He's pink because my girlfriend treats my characters like barbie dolls.

Skuld, I'd choose whatever is cheaper. That way I have money left to improve my playstyle.

How did you make pink? I Have been trying a ton of mixes, but iv'e not made anything that you would call "pink".

Tell me!.....please :P

easyg · Sep 03, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18

Personally, I think Nightfall will basically be the nail in the coffin for the assassin.

(1) A lot of assassin players will simply migrate to the new professions, mainly the Dervish I guess.

(2) Everyone already admits it's hard for an assassin to get an invite to most PUGs. How hard is it gonna be for the remaining assassin players to find a group when they are gonna be completing for spots against those extremely overpowered Dervishes?

(3) There's gonna be new skills and armor/weapons for the core professions, so some people who haven't played their core profession characters for a while will be playing them again when Nightfall comes along. But the assassin will get nada...zippo...zilch in terms of new skills and armor sets, making them even less attractive to keep playing.

In short, I'd say the future looks pretty bleak for assassins.

Celab · Sep 03, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

unless nightfall has some horribly overpowered mob monks

Yanman.be · Sep 03, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

My girlfriend just took silver and red... I know purple and dye remover works too.

Stupid Shizno · Sep 03, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

i have a prof of every class, so i can say the sin is no greater, or no less then any other class. i play my sin with aod and CoP (A/Mo) works fine for me. all i do is gank on it, simple, effective. ive seen more 55 monks trying to do missions then newbie assassins.

oljomo · Sep 03, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Unaccurate

pvp= ra? funny you mentioned it was better than your w/mo...

Hi

Ok, firstly, there are times other than ra when monks will be on their own, mainly TA, and i really beg you to say that that does not involve skill.

Secondaly theyre great for exploiting that short period of time when a monk is shut down for whatever reason, as this will also cut the support. As well as being good in the time between one monk dieing and being ressed.

So before opening your mouth please think what your saying.

In pve in general however while playing a sin i find that they are not overly useful, mainly because most of theyre killing power is overkill. Try getting a full sin combo off on any enemy that is already being attacked by other members of the group and youll find how nigh on impossible it is. As tehir most devastating attacs come further down the combo, this does make it harder for them to achieve their full potential in pve.

oljomo