Curse

th4r34lr0bin · Oct 01, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Profession: N/W
Name: MM Assaulter
Type: PvE
Category: Tank/Damage/Support
Attributes" 15 death, 4 blood, 12 swords
Skills Set: Vampric Touch, Consume Corpse, Final Thrust, Animate Bone Fiend (sorry didnt realize I put Horror), Blood of the Master, Vereta's Sacrafice, Soul Feast, Animate Flesh Golem {Elite}
Summary: A good sword with atleast +27 health will be needed. Bone Idol, or any other Focus Item that gives +30 health and "Death Magic +1(20% chance while using skills)."
Notes & Concerns: Before u start tanking and going all out on foes, be sure u are controlling atleast 6 minions (including flesh golem).
Credit:* I would like to credit myself and my guildwars friend T L N for believing in this build all through out.

Zinger314 · Oct 01, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

MM + Touch Range = bad idea. Very bad idea.

Stretching your attribute points over 4 attributes is even worse.

Rancour · Oct 01, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I agree that touch range is a bad thing for an MM, but I'm not too sure about the attribute point spread.

Stretching over 4 attributes can easily work, dependant on your build. You can even add runes if you can live with the HP penalty.

Bloodied Blade · Oct 01, 2006, 10:31 PM // 22:31

...he'll have no energy either...0 soul reaping.

th4r34lr0bin · Oct 06, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

not true i hav 580 health and 42 energy (a plus 30 health sword and a plus 30 health focus item

th4r34lr0bin · Oct 06, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by th4r34lr0bin

not true i hav 580 health and 42 energy (a plus 30 health sword and a plus 30 health focus item

dont judge something u haven't tried it works really well on PvE i do solo missions and quests all the time w/ it

Zinger314 · Oct 06, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by th4r34lr0bin

dont judge something u haven't tried it works really well on PvE i do solo missions and quests all the time w/ it

Soloing Kryta doesn't count.

Blackhawk · Oct 06, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Soloing Kryta doesn't count.

Classic

Arkantos · Oct 06, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by th4r34lr0bin

dont judge something u haven't tried it works really well on PvE i do solo missions and quests all the time w/ it

Anything works in PvE, don't feel flattered. But one thing I must say, BotM while on the front lines?

AuraofMana · Oct 06, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05

42 Energy = Gone in seconds.
480+ health = death because you have no decent armor.
The only thing positive about this build is the fact that you can eat minions to survive, but then again your minions pretty much kill everything so you going to the frontline saccing is pointless.
This build is broken, testing in PvE (unless it's like Elite Mission or Farming) = crap.
My Nec can own everything with no skills outside of Ran Masu.

Blackhawk · Oct 06, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

My Nec can own everything with no skills outside of Ran Masu.

Yeah and we all know how tough those LvL 1/2 mantids are

Joking aside, it's a terrible build....... (and yes I tried it just for a laugh)

frickett · Oct 06, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

I think the build looks interesting, and will try it sometime. I am sorry that everybody is down on it and that everybody attacks you because you tested it in pve and for some reason they think that "testing in pve=crap."
I don't get why every suggestion, or discussion becomes "down with pve!" or "pve is so easy" or "the devil likes pve"
I will give your build a try though. Thanks for suggesting it.

Blackhawk · Oct 06, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by frickett

I think the build looks interesting, and will try it sometime. I am sorry that everybody is down on it and that everybody attacks you because you tested it in pve and for some reason they think that "testing in pve=crap."
I don't get why every suggestion, or discussion becomes "down with pve!" or "pve is so easy" or "the devil likes pve"
I will give your build a try though. Thanks for suggesting it.

Got nothing to do whether it's been tested in PvE/PvP whatever, the fact is it's all over the place and a cross between a Touchie and a MM with a Sword Warrior thrown in with no visible energy management/soul reaping which just isn't going to work with a Necro.

Theres a few people who have posted who I have respect for when it comes to builds and if they say in not so many words it's junk, you've got to believe them.

Look at the Maths involved - BotM @ 15DM is still going to cost xx, Veratas is 15% of maximum not current health so saccing that after BotM is going to knock you down even more, couple with a Vamp Touch at 4 in BM only gives back 41hp, ok he's got consume corpse and soul feast in there but then thats going to restrict things on the minion side, as like he says it's no good until you have 6 minions so it's a catch 22 between keeping them or yourself going and therefore not too clever, Final Thrust will cause him to lose all adreneline and as we all know it's only "really" good if it hits AND the foe is at less than 50% health, oh and that also also costs 10 Adreneline so it isnt going to cut it as it's going to involve a fair bit of sword swinging before it can be used again.

If the OP had asked for suggestions or ideas for improving it, then we might be having a different discussion, instead of pointing out some of the obvious flaws.

Pick Me · Oct 06, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

First, th4r34lr0bin has 3 attributes: Blood at 4, Death at 15, Swordsmanship at 12. Where on earth do you see 4 attributes????

The way I see it is this:

Sword: 12
Death: 12 + major rune + head piece
Blood: 3 + minor rune

As th4r34lr0bin says in his title, MM Assaulter, which means, no tanking, MMing with offensive skills. The belief is that the minions will tank for you and you just attack similar to the Assassin (in and out).

The problem I see is, you have Consume Corpse (health and energy gain), Animate Bone Horror, Soul Feast and Animate Blood Golem (e). If you plan to have maximum number of minions, get yourself a superior rune of Death Magic. You have 4 corpse using skills, 2 for animating, 2 for healing, 1 that also does energy gain. Sorry, that is too many skills that eat corpses.

Your only sword skill is Final Thrust (it is very good), which does not help until you get 10 adrenaline, and have done enough damage to use it effectively.

Vampiric touch is not useful at level 4, since it sucks up 15 energy (which you need to utilize your animating skills).

I would suggest that you drop blood, and get soul reaping (you expect to drop your enemies like flies, so you get more energy with soul reaping than you do with blood).

Trade Bone Horrors for Vampiric Horrors. The higher costs will be compensated by the life given back to you (thus you can't get healed and recover from sacs that you use).

These are the concerns I have. If you find it works, and better yet, you have fun with it, that is more important than a build you use that works, but you hate with a passion.

Blackhawk · Oct 06, 2006, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by th4r34lr0bin

Profession: N/W
Name: MM Assaulter
Type: PvE
Category: Tank/Damage/Support

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

As th4r34lr0bin says in his title, MM Assaulter, which means, no tanking, MMing with offensive skills. The belief is that the minions will tank for you and you just attack similar to the Assassin (in and out).

Erm Clearly says Tank in the category so he needs to change the title as well as the build then if thats the case

Pick Me · Oct 06, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk

Erm Clearly says Tank in the category so he needs to change the title as well as the build then if thats the case

Yup. Clearly, the minions are the tank, it would seem that the minions are doing the damage, so I'm guessing he's the support?

Blackhawk · Oct 06, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Yup. Clearly, the minions are the tank, it would seem that the minions are doing the damage, so I'm guessing he's the support?

Ah but the fatal flaw in the plan is that you need Minions to do Damage first, so perhaps it's in Kryta like Zinger314 said after all

No No I think I've got it now, his friend is the key to all this, he dies and the OP makes a Golem out of him to get the ball rolling, bit like the old MF saccers used to do, but once again flawed as no res sig, so he leaves and thus creates the solo aspect

Only way I can see it working in a high level PvE area, as otherwise it'll be more a case of MM Got Assaulted than MM Assaulter....

AuraofMana · Oct 07, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

1. Verata's Sacrifice sucks.
2. No Soul Reaping, Consume Corpse is not an efficient energy management.
3. If you want to play a MM go play a MM, swinging a sword in the frontline =/= MM.
4. You are not a tank unless you throw in Dark Bond with at least 3 minions.
5. More armor is better than more health. 600 health on a caster who stays in the front = 5-6 hit killed by a warrior or a sin.
6. This build is "meant" to be played like sin, but guess what, sin has the mobility and the ability to kill stuff fast, so tanking is not a problem for someone decent with sin.
7. This build is broken for the last time.

Kusandaa · Oct 07, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

I had a guy play that kind of build in a mission... that really didn't work well. Would need armor buffs because the "tank" had serious problems with spamming BotM (and the more minions, the more you sac). He couldn't keep his minions alive, and couldn't keep himself alive while tanking due to armor necro armor and sac at the front lines (as someone mentionned earlier).

Skids · Oct 10, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

My Necro used a sword last night in the desert with cunning efficiency.....oh wait a minute that ought to be in-efficiency. I didnt realise I was using one for a minute until I was all up close and sweaty and only doing -4 damage (it was the look-a-like crystaline sword from pre-searing lmao.