Curse

Sairier · Dec 18, 2006, 02:21 AM // 02:21

I really agree with TABellis. Assassins, just like any other class are both for PvE and PvP. The role of the assassin may change in PvE, but slightly. And yes, Assassins, I feel have better credibility in Nightfall, especially when you can wear Legendary Survivor on one. ;-)

pve-er · Dec 18, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Sairier

I really agree with TABellis. Assassins, just like any other class are both for PvE and PvP. The role of the assassin may change in PvE, but slightly. And yes, Assassins, I feel have better credibility in Nightfall, especially when you can wear Legendary Survivor on one. ;-)

Legendary Survivor = quitter, I don't think I want them. a good teammate will die with the group if they fail. legendary survivor only mean they will leave when think don't look too nice even there still big chance to win.

I I I Inferno I I I · Dec 18, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

My crit barrager build:

16 crit strikes
11marksmanship
8 shadow arts

A/R

barrage, disrupting shot, savage shot,concussion shot,sharpen daggers,critical eye,dark escape, shadow refuge

(works well for 5man fow)

sins are underestimated by experts of all classes...
a sin is a crossbreed between a berserker war, a dom mes, and a ranger..

sins call do all the stuff tht they do with only 5nrg for most spells and a fast attack speed and very high dmg and chains

commonly used build : dgen sin (very usefull against casters and warriors and 55hp)

A/E
16 crit strikes
12 dagger master
8 shadow arts

palm strike,blinding power,death blossom,shock,falling spider,twisting fangs, shadow refuge, recall (if u got a monk) freigned nutrality

and my personal fave

repeating sin
16 crit (dont forget every time u crit hit u get 3nrg)
12 dagger m
8 shadow rts

palm strike,blinding power,repeadating strike,death b,spirit of shelter,mending,healing b,shadow refuge

have fun

Yanman.be · Dec 18, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

16 critical strikes is really overkill, especially if you're running dagger mastery.

For every level of dagger mastery, you'll also gain 1 percent of critical hits. So above 13 crit strikes, it has no use investing points in crit strikes, because you would get more damage from a higher investment in dagger mastery, and you keep your crit hit percentage.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Dagger_Mastery

Let's take my example Yanssassin build. I use 15 DM and 14 critical strikes.

15 DM = 21% crit hit , +14% from crit strikes = 35

If we would simply switch the attributes around, we get the following equation:
14 DM = 19.6% crit hit, + 15% from crit strikes = 34.6

So, in general, for making a build that uses critical strikes:

Get at least 13 critical strikes. If you have left-over points, prefer putting them into your weapon mastery, unless you can get 2 more critical strike levels, and only 1 weapon mastery.

Critical strikes = 1% per level
Weapon Masterty = 1.3% per level

I hope anybody who took the time to read this actually understood it, if not, I'll make a YanGraph, explaining it more.

Bottomline: investing in the weapon mastery gives more crit hit percentage ( AND BONUS DAMAGE! don't forget! ) than investing in critical strikes.

I I I Inferno I I I · Dec 19, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

sorry 4 tht XD didnt notice...

trying to manage 6 sin builds atm and tryin 2 find a way for invinci sin runner...

ty for the notice

pingu666 · Dec 19, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

its because anyone playing a assassin or rit in nightfall really likes them, is therefore probably pretty good with them. plus call to tourment or whatever makes killing stuff fast really important, so assassins shine.

stuff not exploding helps too

A_Muppet · Dec 19, 2006, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by pingu666

stuff not exploding helps too

Yes. Whoever thought of that should be cuffed about the back of the head.

Phantom Flux · Dec 19, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

I think you are just jealous because you just aren't good enough to even earn a survivor title. For an assassin to get that is very impressive and yeah, I am one of those that will leave a group if I see a team of idiots expecting me to die in their failure with them. No way. People worked pretty hard (or traded gold pretty well) to earn their titles buddy!

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Originally Posted by pve-er

Legendary Survivor = quitter, I don't think I want them. a good teammate will die with the group if they fail. legendary survivor only mean they will leave when think don't look too nice even there still big chance to win.

Phantom Flux · Dec 19, 2006, 09:48 AM // 09:48

I think Assassins and Ritualists get an attraction in Nightfalls as a Paragon and Dervish does in the other campaigns because of they are like foreign exchange students collaborating with one another. lol.

Dutch Masterr · Dec 19, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

this was the biggest problem for pve sins in factions and why people probably thought they were bad---afflicted soul explosion did about 120 damage when you killed any afflicted, which were everywhere in cantha. made a sins life hard in pve.

pve-er · Dec 20, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I think you are just jealous because you just aren't good enough to even earn a survivor title. For an assassin to get that is very impressive and yeah, I am one of those that will leave a group if I see a team of idiots expecting me to die in their failure with them. No way. People worked pretty hard (or traded gold pretty well) to earn their titles buddy!

I admit I sucks. but i am not jealous. you should go back and play single person game no matter how good you are. because you are a selfish quitter you just don't know how it feel when people quit on you when you need a quest or mission done. you never feel anything because you left already. if everyone play it your way then we better not have a team system as it is totally meaningless.

group of idiot? you cannot prove that all the members in your group are idiot. yes there are some idiot but not all in the group are idiot. you sound like PUG = noobs. please don't forget you WERE one of them at the beginning as well.

Carth` · Dec 20, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by pve-er

Legendary Survivor = quitter, I don't think I want them. a good teammate will die with the group if they fail. legendary survivor only mean they will leave when think don't look too nice even there still big chance to win.

Legendary Survivor means they have the title maxed, and can die and won't lose it. Many people with any rank of survivor have already died, and won't leave. The people who haven't died yet are likely to be playing alone since PUGs = death.

P.S. with that last posts it just sounds like you're trolling, just posting to bait people into arguments.

pve-er · Dec 20, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15

sorry for that post, I am just too pissed with quitters and that guy's accuse . being in the game so long and screwed by quitters too much.

Don't ask me to bring guildies, I haven't seen any of my guildies for ages and guildie don't mean they are better then PUG

Saphatorael · Dec 20, 2006, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I think you are just jealous because you just aren't good enough to even earn a survivor title. For an assassin to get that is very impressive and yeah, I am one of those that will leave a group if I see a team of idiots expecting me to die in their failure with them. No way. People worked pretty hard (or traded gold pretty well) to earn their titles buddy!

Oh please, you think it's hard to get a survivor title? Just stay in the background whilst henchmen/friends kill everything for you, and doing easy quests with big rewards (Cantha, anyone)
Second rank is less common, but still props for that.
And for Legendaries. Well, they've earned my respect since they actually bothered to get the title. But it's still not that hard. Just time consuming to kill all those bosses.
And if you fail? Just remake the character.
Also, you're a moron if you just randomly join groups that way, then ragequit later. You're the type of 'survivor quitter' everybody hates. Ask what build everybody runs and give suggestions (Anet added in the skillbar calling option for some reasons eh), then perhaps you wouldn't have to quit.

I'm not THAT a hardcore PvE'er, so I've never bothered.
But don't act all arrogant because you actually have the title because you care. I don't. And I don't look at titles in PvE when I start a group (except in RoT, loads of people don't know about the Lightbringer thing.)

NO, this is not a flaming post. Just constructive criticism.

ShadowbaneX · Dec 20, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

IMO, the main reason that assassins are getting some respect is that those that actually bothered to bring them over to Elona were the ones that knew what they were doing back in Factions. Those you usually see are those that know the class. They haven't really gotten any better or worse, they were just lost in the flood of people who played Mending Whammo's from Prophecies. Now that the Whammo mentality is currently tainting the Dervish, those that are playing the Assassin are showing the haters what they can actually do.

Dutch Masterr · Dec 20, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

in a assassin vs warrior fight, there is a good probability that both will win. assassins have higher damage and degen, while warriors have lower damage and higher armor. the only builds i have trouble against as an assassin is riposte warriors and vigorous spirit/live vicariously/dolyak sig/healing hands warriors. bassically, if your an assassin you should know all the builds people are running, or at least know what they are going to do with their build. that way if you come across an opponent, observe their build and either fight or kite it you cann beat them or not.

Feurin Longcastle · Dec 20, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr

in a assassin vs warrior fight, there is a good probability that both will win. assassins have higher damage and degen, while warriors have lower damage and higher armor. the only builds i have trouble against as an assassin is riposte warriors and vigorous spirit/live vicariously/dolyak sig/healing hands warriors. bassically, if your an assassin you should know all the builds people are running, or at least know what they are going to do with their build. that way if you come across an opponent, observe their build and either fight or kite it you cann beat them or not.

Problem is, this isn't a realistic scenario in GW, PvE or PvP. You either need a build that can dish out damage effectively and sustainably while not being ultra-fragile (PvE) or a build that can handle a niche role on a team, be it spiking, pressure or something else (PvP). One on one fights aren't really relevent, and don't reflect the power of a class all that well.

pingu666 · Dec 20, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

if your going for survivor title, then you play differently, i got survivor title on my assassin, but i wouldnt say i really knew how to play him *really* well

a command paragon goes well with a assassin tho
go for the eyes, stand your ground and watch yourself, plus a optional antham of flame
+40~al, near certainity of critical hits, and every 10 seconds some burny action

zeroxy · Dec 24, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

the AP and Crit Barrager builds are the best for pve..
Although I do love running AoD builds and mass blind, deep wound, daze and bleeding with epidemic

The thing that makes sins so fun to play is their style..you can't just rush in and stand there taking hits while attacking a single target with all your skill bar like wammos do.(I do respect good tanks however, no offense guys

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And don't you just love it when you see a whole group that cant attack or cast spells, degening to death? HAHAHA

ecknine · Dec 24, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

hey people ... Assasins Never Sucked ... where do u get this from , people who say assasin's suck probably never played one or just listened too what the crowd says ...i mean , Assasin never where bad , just played poorly by 12 year olds who think 'ninja's' are cool. I still hate it when people Say it ...i have something like : oh My Gawd ...have u ever played an assasin , guess not , cause if u would have played you wouldn't say they suck unless YOU suck AT being an Assasin !
Who even started this 'romour' that assasin's suck ... wheres this 12 year old kid ?

~silent ecknine