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Am I A Good Sin · Apr 06, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

No offence, but if BoA/SP is your idea of Pro, your just another Meta game follower, a nothing out of the ordinary guy. I won't stand for people who say good things about a clearly flawed build.

Actually. The SP/BoA is not that bad of a build. Sure it is clearly flawed. BUT! It does have its strengths. Such as. Kills most anything in around 3 seconds flat. A single Rof is not gonna stop this build. AND!
Also u can be a pro gamer that follows a popular build. All u have to do is learn how to play the build a bit different than most ( still uses the same build tho ) and also armour and insignias change ur entire chance of survival. A pro gamer at a meta game build could have
1) different strategy or a slight variation using the major skills in this case SP/BoA
2) different armour ( this eventually adds up to different affects. Armour up, energy higher, more health. All change ur ability to fight )
3) natural skill and target choosing.
What ur saying is that every1 who follows a meta game build is an average normal player. 1 minor skill could change ur ability to survive while still having a same name build. Its like saying that all RaO players ( this is before the update ) were average players. I found some to actualy pwn every1 while the others just well....... Died nearly 5 seconds after a fight began.
So u can be a pro gamer using a meta game build. Don't stereotype :-P
I make my own builds ( Moebious strike was mine before it became fairly popular ). Also a few other builds every1 thinks is crap until I own them ^^. Then sometimes I play the metagame builds for fun. So what would that make me?

Samurai-JM · Apr 06, 2007, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Well trust me, Im no pro at this game. I cant even afford a set of starter armor for my new monk right now xD But I do use strategy in this game. I used the base SPBoA build for about a week in PvP, then started developing new ideas and using them to great effect. I learned the strengths and weaknesses of the skills and found tactical ways to use them. ANY build in the game can win if used strategically, even uber echo mending builds :O

- PvE <-> PvP -
APBoA > SPBoA

FoxBat · Apr 06, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Moebius strike/blossom is still good.

Conviction doesn't take much earth spec to be totally awesome. Bring a prot monk and GG.

Shuuda · Apr 06, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by Am I A Good Sin

Actually. The SP/BoA is not that bad of a build. Sure it is clearly flawed. BUT! It does have its strengths. Such as. Kills most anything in around 3 seconds flat. A single Rof is not gonna stop this build. AND!
Also u can be a pro gamer that follows a popular build. All u have to do is learn how to play the build a bit different than most ( still uses the same build tho ) and also armour and insignias change ur entire chance of survival. A pro gamer at a meta game build could have
1) different strategy or a slight variation using the major skills in this case SP/BoA
2) different armour ( this eventually adds up to different affects. Armour up, energy higher, more health. All change ur ability to fight )
3) natural skill and target choosing.
What ur saying is that every1 who follows a meta game build is an average normal player. 1 minor skill could change ur ability to survive while still having a same name build. Its like saying that all RaO players ( this is before the update ) were average players. I found some to actualy pwn every1 while the others just well....... Died nearly 5 seconds after a fight began.
So u can be a pro gamer using a meta game build. Don't stereotype :-P
I make my own builds ( Moebious strike was mine before it became fairly popular ). Also a few other builds every1 thinks is crap until I own them ^^. Then sometimes I play the metagame builds for fun. So what would that make me?

The build is to flawed, as Mokone has said, Hex breaker + Pre viel render this build worthless, it's falls easily to blind, and hexes, and the 99.8% of assassins who play this build play it badly, and the good ones are more than stoppable, enchantment based chains are looking more attractive now, simply because everyone uses hex defence to beat this 1 single build (fox's promise is rather underrated ya know

) SP/BoA WAS good, that's until everyone learnt how to counter, now it's just a patheic flash attack. I don't think meta players are average, I know they are average players who think they are good, I've seen it countless time, we all have.

Me, I'd rather be myself and lose, than be a winning sheep.

bungusmaximus · Apr 06, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by Tundra

damn, it starts to annoy. Today, i was kicked out of party just because i am assassin

mission was Vizunah Square, there where many lvls 15-18, but thai kicked me(lvl 20), to get some healer. I took henches and heroes and did it by myself. God i was mad.

Yeh that blows to high heaven, another case of people seriously lacking creativity. When I monk in factions and theres a sin on my team there's good old spirit bond to save them from afflicted soul spikes, works perfectly. More constructive then kicking people.

Am I A Good Sin · Apr 06, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

The build is to flawed, as Mokone has said, Hex breaker + Pre viel render this build worthless, it's falls easily to blind, and hexes, and the 99.8% of assassins who play this build play it badly, and the good ones are more than stoppable, enchantment based chains are looking more attractive now, simply because everyone uses hex defence to beat this 1 single build (fox's promise is rather underrated ya know

) SP/BoA WAS good, that's until everyone learnt how to counter, now it's just a patheic flash attack. I don't think meta players are average, I know they are average players who think they are good, I've seen it countless time, we all have.

Me, I'd rather be myself and lose, than be a winning sheep.

Lol I'm with u there. I prefer not to play metagame builds but just for some fun I go back to em. Also they give u ideas. Anyways. So the 50+ monks that I faced in a week of using this build all sucked? I saw hex breaker and holy veil so many times it wasn't funny. U know what I did? I casted my cover hex first to take away hex breaker. Then SP with a follow up BSS in less than half a second. Only way u could have possibly screwed that chain up is by having ur mouse cursor over holy veil and double click to dismiss almost immediately. The problem with holy veil is that for an average/slightly above average player is that u have to dismiss it which means unless ur cursor is over it as soon as SP was cast u can get ur leading skill off(BSS here ).
And outta curiosity who says u can't put pressure on the monk by atking his teammate. Either his teammate will die or ur teammates will kill the monk. Metagame builds can work ABOVE AVERAGE in a team setting. Don't forget u rnt always fighting hex/enchant removal. U say ill bring this. Then I say well ill bring this to get thru that. We have 8 slots and slim chance of a 1 v 1 ever mattering in a team setting.

The Ernada · Apr 07, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Assassins should have never been put in GW at all. Teleports are the easy buttons that takes away/removes the skill of positioning. And the almost insta-kills assassins can generate are pretty much broken despite combos being fragile and easily disrupted.

Doesnt really matter that the counters are there, the fact that you have the potential to kill someone by yourself in 3 seconds is there and you WILL get to unleash it sooner or later. It's why heavy defensive teams are still able to spike...with the help of an SP/BOA assassin.

I dont see the Assassin returning in GW2. Thank god.

Samurai-JM · Apr 07, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

lol @ ernada. Enough about sins only being able to spike please, weve already shown that they can do much more... and just because they add loads of offense to heavily defensive teams is actually a GOOD thing, not bad. Sorry if you had a bad experience losing to one, but try playing one and maybe youll change your mind.

Am I A Good Sin · Apr 07, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

agreed. in a 8 man team for example. You can have 2 or 3 monks ( lets say 3 ). then 1 warder/sandstorm elementalist. A support Paragon using area wide energy and dmg boosting chants. A e-denial mesmer. u have 2 slots left and lack power but have a solid team defence. warriors r ok a whole but your build wll lack power. dervishes r a nice option but can run out of energy easily. oh wait what about the sneaky little guy...ummm..uh..... whats his face.. oh yeah The Assassin. have 2 of them and ull balace out ur power with defence as long as the sins know what they r doing. if not, meh, take a derv. I'd personally take 2 good assassins over 3 Warriors. ( Saw an assassin take down a whole RA team while me and the rest were dead XD. think he played an SoH build )
A heavily defencive team makes up for sins "poor" defence ( not really bad but if something messes up then its tough to get back in the fight ) and the sins explosive power adds the power to the team making it = an exceptionally good team.
PS- The build used at the top is jus some things off the top of m head. idk if i would work or not but im hoping it was a good example of little power ( until the sins came along ) and good defencive ability.
I on the other hand want to c sins in GW2. Who doesnt want to c charr move like lightning across the field using a pair of tiny daggers? That would be F***ing sweet!!!

The Ernada · Apr 07, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Samurai-JM

lol @ ernada. Enough about sins only being able to spike please, weve already shown that they can do much more... and just because they add loads of offense to heavily defensive teams is actually a GOOD thing, not bad. Sorry if you had a bad experience losing to one, but try playing one and maybe youll change your mind.

Why am I not surprised that your response is automatically that I'm saying this because I had a "bad experience" and that I never played one? I've been on both sides of playing an assassin and facing one.

You sure take it personally that I think the Assassin class is bad for PVP in general. Look at this thread, a bunch of people stroking their e-peens and declaring how "pro" they are. So I'll leave you here to feel like a wannabe ninja.

Shuuda · Apr 07, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Why am I not surprised that your response is automatically that I'm saying this because I had a "bad experience" and that I never played one? I've been on both sides of playing an assassin and facing one.

You sure take it personally that I think the Assassin class is bad for PVP in general. Look at this thread, a bunch of people stroking their e-peens and declaring how "pro" they are. So I'll leave you here to feel like a wannabe ninja.

It's not a suprising response, because it's clearly correct. Prehaps you were playing your assassin wrong, it's not always a matter of just going 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 like most do, it requires timing and being very alert for counters, or else you get totally scewed and maybe end up like you. I find hard to believe you can think assassins are so bad, since it has been proven over and over again, how good they can be.

You can leave here so you can feel like a wannabe monk (one of the ones who always get owned)

ghostkai · Apr 07, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

Their isn't one assassin build you could even devise that could beat a riposte swordsman. For that matter, not one melee build you could come up with could beat a capable riposte swordsman.

Blinding powder? Thats all well and good, but riposte will be charged in 4 to 5 hits, and Deadly riposte is an energy skill. Your sin would be bleeding and DW'd before he knew what hit him. Mending touch stops all that blinding powder crap, so then what would you do,my friend, but die. Warriors when played well will always beat a sin. I've killed 3 sins at a time with a riposte build, though it took some doing and a good bit of luck, but 1 sin is never a problem.

Anyway, the point is that the hate is somewhat justified, since most sins run into the buzzsaw instead of doing what they should be doing, which is looking to shut off the power.

oooooooh A RIPOSTE warrior!?

expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone?

= dead riposte warrior oooooooooooooooooooooo gg

moko · Apr 07, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by ghostkai

oooooooh A RIPOSTE warrior!?

expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone? expose defenses anyone?

= dead riposte warrior oooooooooooooooooooooo gg

healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet? healing signet?

mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch?

high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL?

and for the case of Ernada and "bad" experience, its probably just that he was forced to play SP gimmick and found it sucky which ruined the whole assassin image without trying something else (it was like this for me anyways, just that it took me too many tries to like the class a lot.

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but overall, i agree with everything Ernada said.

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and just because they add loads of offense to heavily defensive teams is actually a GOOD thing, not bad.

no, its bad. it allows GVGs to be ran with that build, which is utter shit and lameness. it certainly is not a good thing that assassins encourage its usage some more.

and to anyone saying you counter hexbreaker with a counter hex; the original SP gimmick had no other cover hex, if your using a version with another hex its already another one and not the gimmick we talk about. its based on the same concept but is less flawed in some cases.

Samurai-JM · Apr 07, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

I've already said countless times I don't encourage the use of the same build over and over... I hate the "cookie cutter" builds everyone uses in so many areas, and thats basically the reason assassins are usually left out!

Oh well, enough of the bad experience talk from me then, but I can still take out a warrior(even WITH riposte) in about 3 seconds, no SP or BoA on my skill bar either. I wish you would all just stop talking about the SPBoA, ASSASSINS CAN RUN OTHER BUILDS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN SHADOW STEPPING AND SPIKING!

Kaleban · Apr 07, 2007, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by Mokone

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mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch? mending touch?

high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL? high AL?

I just thought I'd point out that I've beaten plenty of warriors, with various sin builds, including Riposte tanks, through the use of Expose Defenses and a couple of Sin attack skills. High AL, Healing Sig and Mending Touch can't really help you if you're Dazed, knocked on your butt, or any of various other situations.

Perhaps you should stop being so ardent about your opinion that sins somehow are terrible. It seems to be a very uninformed opinion, probably brought about by getting your warrior's butt whipped too many times by Sins.

I've always found a fun combo to use on warriors is -> Siphon Strength, Expose Defenses, basically allows me to autoattack said warrior if I wanted to with no retribution possible. Its fun to imagine the expression of the frustrated Warrior player who can't figure out why his attacks are doing no damage lol.

Besides Mokone, if you hate sins so much, or the idea of their presence in a PvP combat game somehow offends you, why go to such lengths to anger the people that enjoy playing them? Why not just stay on the Wammo forum, and you guys can high five and do keg stands all day and night there?

Samurai-JM · Apr 07, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Besides Mokone, if you hate sins so much, or the idea of their presence in a PvP combat game somehow offends you, why go to such lengths to anger the people that enjoy playing them? Why not just stay on the Wammo forum, and you guys can high five and do keg stands all day and night there?

Well dont tell him to leave, and definately don't make other stereotypes to other professions. Thats not at all what GW should be about. Everyone has an opinion here, I just want to prove that assassins are great parts of any team.

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Originally Posted by Siva arwen

If you want to show you are assassin there is only one build that can tell you are an assassin and it called SPBoA, Am i wrong? If you used another build beside this SPBoA they will call you a tank or something else, Am i wrong again?

That quote is from one of my other threads, and it kind of sucks. If that is the general thought of people about assassins, then we are in serious trouble. SPBoA has completely killed the image of assassins, and make most people think that nothing else can work with the profession. It eliminated nearly all thoughts of creativity and hopes of every becoming one of the higher though of professions. Why? Because no one ever thinks to find new ways to use them.

ghostkai · Apr 07, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

I just thought I'd point out that I've beaten plenty of warriors, with various sin builds, including Riposte tanks, through the use of Expose Defenses and a couple of Sin attack skills. High AL, Healing Sig and Mending Touch can't really help you if you're Dazed, knocked on your butt, or any of various other situations.

Perhaps you should stop being so ardent about your opinion that sins somehow are terrible. It seems to be a very uninformed opinion, probably brought about by getting your warrior's butt whipped too many times by Sins.

I've always found a fun combo to use on warriors is -> Siphon Strength, Expose Defenses, basically allows me to autoattack said warrior if I wanted to with no retribution possible. Its fun to imagine the expression of the frustrated Warrior player who can't figure out why his attacks are doing no damage lol.

Besides Mokone, if you hate sins so much, or the idea of their presence in a PvP combat game somehow offends you, why go to such lengths to anger the people that enjoy playing them? Why not just stay on the Wammo forum, and you guys can high five and do keg stands all day and night there?

beat me to it

as for Mokone's healing sig, mending touch, high armour?

healing sig will only speed up ur dying in a sin combo

mending touch won't work if ur dazed and being attacked

high armour? whoopie, a burst will still kill u in 3 seconds, and oh yeah... i forgot, ELEMENTAL daggers anyone?

moko · Apr 07, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

I just thought I'd point out that I've beaten plenty of warriors, with various sin builds, including Riposte tanks, through the use of Expose Defenses and a couple of Sin attack skills. High AL, Healing Sig and Mending Touch can't really help you if you're Dazed, knocked on your butt, or any of various other situations.

Perhaps you should stop being so ardent about your opinion that sins somehow are terrible. It seems to be a very uninformed opinion, probably brought about by getting your warrior's butt whipped too many times by Sins.

I've always found a fun combo to use on warriors is -> Siphon Strength, Expose Defenses, basically allows me to autoattack said warrior if I wanted to with no retribution possible. Its fun to imagine the expression of the frustrated Warrior player who can't figure out why his attacks are doing no damage lol.

Besides Mokone, if you hate sins so much, or the idea of their presence in a PvP combat game somehow offends you, why go to such lengths to anger the people that enjoy playing them? Why not just stay on the Wammo forum, and you guys can high five and do keg stands all day and night there?

first off all, i hardly ever play warriors.

secondly, when i do, its in AB because im bored and randomly picked a class. 9/10 times, "most" of the sin combos bring me down to about 100~ health with DW on when their chain is finished. -_- its not like an idiotic riposte warrior that carries 4 superior runes with full energy armor, ya? seriously, so far most sin builds ive seen that are for a spike cant really bring down a decent warrior if you start with a warrior at full health. a moebius however wont have any problems taking down a warrior, but i never really encountered those in the rare situations i was playing as a warrior.

siphon strength is shit. the energy and recharge is crap, we've ran it in a teambuild once and our sin said it was purely horrible.

i dont even bother with the warrior forum -- theres more idiots in there than here. why would i go there if 9/10 builds are tanks that have no damage?

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healing sig will only speed up ur dying in a sin combo

anyone using it DURING a combo is a complete idiot?

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mending touch won't work if ur dazed and being attacked

and your talking about a 3 second kill..so beguiling haze black spider spiker. ONOZ DAZED THAT LASTS 8 SECONDS ZOMG?

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high armour? whoopie, a burst will still kill u in 3 seconds, and oh yeah... i forgot, ELEMENTAL daggers anyone?

no it wont, i still got the 80 BASE armor, along with a shield, which is another 16 armor, and a watch yourself also fits on my bar, which is another extra armor, and seeing how MOST sins run an ebon dagger string i also carry a shield with +10 earth damage?

and sometimes i actually got my sentinels armor instead of health.

i REALLY REALLY want to see you spiking someone with 100+ AL/600+ health.

but besides the fact, youre a completely moron if you try to spike warriors instead of a squishy target.

ghostkai · Apr 07, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

i agree with ur statement about sins who try to spike warriors instead of squishies, that defiently true, however i use lightening tangs, coz generally i assume the warrior is a competent player (like you seem to be) and will assume i'm using earth, dazed combined with siphon strength, warrior stands no chance at all, the extra punch is more than enough to kill any warrior

moko · Apr 07, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by ghostkai

i agree with ur statement about sins who try to spike warriors instead of squishies, that defiently true, however i use lightening tangs, coz generally i assume the warrior is a competent player (like you seem to be) and will assume i'm using earth, dazed combined with siphon strength, warrior stands no chance at all, the extra punch is more than enough to kill any warrior

ok..one question tho, where is the dazed coming from? lol, i got no idea seeing how theres only (I THINK?!) 3 daze ELITES for a sin and no normal ones as far as i know..

oh and guess ill have to make a healing hands purge conditions wammo against you than har har har....lol

but still, i dont recall any 4 dagger combo killing a warrior -- im not sure about a 5 one, MAYBE black spider/ox/lotus/blades/impale which ive never tested, but dunno really.