Curse

Made In Ascalon · Dec 26, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

I've been unlocking all assassin elites recently and have been trying to think up creative, somewhat original builds with them. Not necessarily going for maximization for high end PvP, but I tried to keep high end PvP in mind regardless.

Skills:
[skill]Unsuspecting Strike[/skill]/[skill]Black Mantis Thrust[/skill]

[skill]Critical Strike[/skill]/[skill]Death Blossom[/skill]
[skill]Dash[/skill]/[skill]Siphon Speed[/skill]
[skill]Mending Touch[/skill]
[skill]Fox's Promise[/skill]
Optional slot.
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Dagger Mastery: 12 +1 +1
Critical Strikes: 12 + 1
Protection Prayers/Deadly Arts: 3 (+ 1)

Bring Vampiric, Zealous, and another dagger with +20% enchanting.

This build is designed for pressuring targets, especially monks, similar to how the unblockable Shattering Assault build functions. However, because each skill n the attack chain doesn't need an unblockable clause, all dagger attacks are options.

Unsuspecting Strikes works great as an opener for pressure; however, it is energy intensive to be spammed, so Critical Strike is chosen for e-management and. Golden Fang Strike is used to easily and often apply Deep Wound to the target.

BLT is less energy intensive so can be used with different spammable duals (DB), but requires a hex. This is why siphon speed is used for an IMS. With US as a lead, dash could be a better option. GFS is still necessary since other offhands aren't spammable.

Comments and criticisms are appreciated!

Tyla · Dec 26, 2007, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Foxes promise's end is too bad, it needs to end...WITH A BLAST! instead of disapearing over 1 miss

Made In Ascalon · Dec 26, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Foxes promise's end is too bad, it needs to end...WITH A BLAST! instead of disapearing over 1 miss

I agree, it does suck. I have fun making builds with unused elites though.

Coloneh · Dec 26, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

i would say to get a condition removal if running fox's, blind would be very bad. also, it looks like your trying to make a spamable chain, right? but you need a spamable lead attack, unsuspecting is to expensive and golden lotus has a 10 second recharge.

Marverick · Dec 26, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Drop Golden Lotus Strike for [skill=text]Critical Strike[/skill], that should supply sufficient energy.

Drop Critical Defenses for [skill=text]Mending Touch[/skill]

Saphatorael · Dec 26, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I saw you use 12 Crit Strikes.
Then I stopped reading and typed this up. After posting this post, I will close this window and hope you get some brains.

moko · Dec 26, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10234218

street peddler · Dec 26, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

basically what theyre saying is make your critical strikes 13.

Yanman.be · Dec 26, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by street peddler

basically what theyre saying is to stop posting shit builds

I fixed it for you.

Made In Ascalon · Dec 26, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Saphatorael

I saw you use 12 Crit Strikes.
Then I stopped reading and typed this up. After posting this post, I will close this window and hope you get some brains.

I wasn't thinking about the breakpoints for crit. strikes skill attributes. Sue me. Input on the concept is more important to me than on the placeholder skill distribution.

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

i would say to get a condition removal if running fox's, blind would be very bad. also, it looks like your trying to make a spamable chain, right? but you need a spamable lead attack, unsuspecting is to expensive and golden lotus has a 10 second recharge.

Other spammable lead attacks don't synergize well. Golden Fox Strike is already unblockable so it defeats the purpose. Black Mantis Thrust needs a hex to be worked into the build somehow. Desperate Strike and Jagged Strike are just crap. That's why I decided unsuspecting was the best, and tried to find ways to help e-management.

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Drop Golden Lotus Strike for [skill=text]Critical Strike[/skill], that should supply sufficient energy.

Drop Critical Defenses for [skill=text]Mending Touch[/skill]

Good advice. Thank you.
SoMS needs to be replaced then, and /mo limits those options. Dash, I suppose?

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I fixed it for you.

Unmaximized builds? In MY forums?!

I'm sure me posting an ineffective build and asking for criticism harms you in some way.

ACreator · Dec 26, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

dont worry about yanman... he proly still thinks he is the sin's godfather..

back on topic:

I ran something like that, although I wouldn't run golden fang strike....

replace it and DB for twisting fang at u get another slot to put some utility or something u want. This way the build gets a bit less dmg, but u get DP.

u could fit in there harrier's haste, for the extra dmg or Whirling Charge for also and IAS... this yould make you spike only once every 20 secs....

if u put any of there replace signet of mystic speed with somethin else...

raddaman · Dec 26, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

You COULD take off wind prayer in its entirety and add 3+1 deadly arts for siphon speed. That way you have a reliable boost and be able to actually have 13CS.

A redundant lead, GFS, and a slot for utility seems better than a crappy skill fueling a mediocre one.

Made In Ascalon · Dec 26, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by ACreator

I ran something like that, although I wouldn't run golden fang strike....

replace it and DB for twisting fang at u get another slot to put some utility or something u want. This way the build gets a bit less dmg, but u get DP.

u could fit in there harrier's haste, for the extra dmg or Whirling Charge for also and IAS... this yould make you spike only once every 20 secs....

if u put any of there replace signet of mystic speed with somethin else...

The entire point of this build is providing constant unblockable pressure. Twisting fangs completely defeats the purpose of that since it has a 15 second recharge and, combined with unsuspecting, will completely kill energy. GFS is the only spammable source of DW for an assassin.

I said in my first post that SoMS could be replaced with any other IMS.

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Originally Posted by raddaman

You COULD take off wind prayer in its entirety and add 3+1 deadly arts for siphon speed. That way you have a reliable boost and be able to actually have 13CS.

A redundant lead, GFS, and a slot for utility seems better than a crappy skill fueling a mediocre one.

That is a good alternative. Siphon speed would make black mantis thrust useable too for the spammable lead. GLS was just a bad idea.

horseradish · Dec 26, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

You could probably put Asuran Scan in the optional slot for more damage.

5e cost and 5 sec recharge? yessir

Yanman.be · Dec 26, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Can't take criticism? Become better , or arrogant. I became both.

ACreator · Dec 26, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

anyways in you 1st post u also had a 15sec recharge skill, thats why I thought of spiking and so twisting..

if u want pressure, u dont need that off hand, deep wound but no dmg, wich is what u need for pressure.. use somethoing unblockable and stance ender like wild strike.

@yanman.be

Better, yes u have become..... still there is always room for improvement..

arrogant? no comment needed IMO

Made In Ascalon · Dec 27, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Can't take criticism? Become better , or arrogant. I became both.

There's a difference between criticism and elitism. What criticisms have you offered?
I play monks and mesmers when I PvP seriously. I never play assassins, so please excuse the occasional ignorance on my part.

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Originally Posted by horseradish

You could probably put Asuran Scan in the optional slot for more damage.

5e cost and 5 sec recharge? yessir

I wasn't under the impression that Asuran Scan was useable in PvP.

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Originally Posted by ACreator

anyways in you 1st post u also had a 15sec recharge skill, thats why I thought of spiking and so twisting..

Golden Lotus Strike is a spiking skill?
I had already stated I only put it in for e-management, even though it was a bad idea.

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if u want pressure, u dont need that off hand, deep wound but no dmg, wich is what u need for pressure.. use somethoing unblockable and stance ender like wild strike.

I figured that being able to lower a target's health by 20% would be useful in either scenario.
Wild Strike defeats the purpose of FP, which was the reason I tried out this build in the first place. It doesn't make any sense at all to be used in the chain, it's redundant.

ACreator · Dec 27, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

1st - U say now u wanted a pressure build but u used before a 15sec recharge off-hand, therefor I concluded u wanted spike because u cant pressure with 15 sec recharge skills.

2nd -Yes its usefull, but for keeping pressure, i would prefer add more dmg, and not take the risk of beeing bloked... with and unblocable off-hand, guardian has less chance of of disabling u..

Yanman.be · Dec 27, 2007, 10:40 AM // 10:40

I didn't feel the need to repeat what other people have said.