Curse

Shuuda · Dec 27, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Assassins do not require fixing.

/End.

So thats why all the GOOD PvPers on this forum seem to think and prove different.

/Points and laughs at the gimp.

You can't see me · Dec 27, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

So thats why all the GOOD PvPers on this forum seem to think and prove different.

/Points and laughs at the gimp.

Alright, so let's play a game.

Name something about the assassin that is IMBA, or needs attention, and I'll explain why it doesn't. (If you say that the problem is the the assassin is useless if it doesn't KO instantly, then you need more help with that class than I can give you.)

Coloneh · Dec 27, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Alright, so let's play a game.

Name something about the assassin that is IMBA, or needs attention, and I'll explain why it doesn't. (If you say that the problem is the the assassin is useless if it doesn't KO instantly, then you need more help with that class than I can give you.)

1. provide less pressure than a warrior
2. more easily killed than any other melee class
3. must devote most of their bar to 1 huge spike chain
4. are less effective than other classes unless thay can instigib, and if the can instigib they are imba.

apparently i need more help than you can give me. however, im still right.

You can't see me · Dec 27, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

1. provide less pressure than a warrior
2. more easily killed than any other melee class
3. must devote most of their bar to 1 huge spike chain
4. are less effective than other classes unless thay can instigib, and if the can instigib they are imba.

apparently i need more help than you can give me. however, im still right.

1. Saying one class is more useful at something doesn't imply inferiority in general.
2. Yes, they're easily killed, but carry many good defensive spells that synergize well with their purpose to protect them.
3. Ever heard of deadly Arts?
4. Learn to synergize a skill bar.

The Real Roy Keane · Dec 27, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

3. Ever heard of deadly Arts?

Please expand on this; I don't see how the Deadly Arts line helps with bar compression.

You can't see me · Dec 27, 2007, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

Please expand on this; I don't see how the Deadly Arts line helps with bar compression.

I never said it did. I'm saying that a spike chain isn't the only thing assassins MUST run to be effective or put pressure on their foes.

The Real Roy Keane · Dec 27, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

I never said it did. I'm saying that a spike chain isn't the only thing assassins MUST run to be effective or put pressure on their foes.

The only decent Deadly Arts build is the Dancing Daggers 3 KD chain and it's an imbalanced piece of crap even with the Deadly Paradox nerf. Degenerate builds like it should be discouraged (ie: nerfed).

Limu Tolkki · Dec 27, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Assassins do not require fixing.

/End.

You're in pve forum if you didnt notice.

You can't see me · Dec 27, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Limu Tolkki

You're in pve forum if you didnt notice.

Assassins in PvE are very much in no need of attention. If you cannot find a way to kick butt with an assassin in PvE, you fail at that class. Nothing more to it.

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

The only decent Deadly Arts build is the Dancing Daggers 3 KD chain and it's an imbalanced piece of crap even with the Deadly Paradox nerf. Degenerate builds like it should be discouraged (ie: nerfed) .

You whine for a solution, and then when one is presented to you, you don't like it. Not my problem, and not the problem of assassins that use it.

Bobby2 · Dec 27, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

You whine for a solution, and then when one is presented to you, you don't like it. Not my problem, and not the problem of assassins that use it.

Whoa, gotta disagree here: DA was meant as a SUPPORT line. Now it has become more powerful than the Sin's main purpose (STABBING people to death) because its damage potential matches/exceeds its DM counterpart. At range, no less!!!

To clarify: that's BAED.

My suggestion for making Sins balanced is quite the simple one: NERF THE DA LINE.

EDIT: except for Siphon Speed. How I love Siphon Speed.

Coloneh · Dec 27, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

1. Saying one class is more useful at something doesn't imply inferiority in general.
2. Yes, they're easily killed, but carry many good defensive spells that synergize well with their purpose to protect them.
3. Ever heard of deadly Arts?
4. Learn to synergize a skill bar.

1. melee characters pressure and spike. thats what they do. and assassins cant pressure.
2. none of these defensive spells can fit on a bar that is willed with 5 attack skills, a snare, IAS and rez.
3. no
4. An attack chain with 3 or so KDs that insti gibs a target is the definition of synergy. to bad its imba.

You can't see me · Dec 27, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

1. melee characters pressure and spike. thats what they do. and assassins cant pressure.
2. none of these defensive spells can fit on a bar that is willed with 5 attack skills, a snare, IAS and rez.
3. no
4. An attack chain with 3 or so KDs that insti gibs a target is the definition of synergy. to bad its imba.

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong again.
3. That's why.
4. Sure, label everything an assassin can do effectively as IMBA. Again, not my problem.

And when it comes to what deadly arts is designed for, if things in this game were always used as exactly what they were designed for, many builds you see today would not exist, along with many weapons, skills, etc. Hell, guild wars itself was designed as a straight up PvP game, but look at it now.

jaeharys targaryen · Dec 27, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

My suggestion for making Sins balanced is quite the simple one: NERF THE DA LINE.

EDIT: except for Siphon Speed. How I love Siphon Speed.

this is perhaps the perfect example of why gw pvp is going down the tubes.

Bobby2 · Dec 27, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

1. melee characters pressure and spike. thats what they do. and assassins cant pressure.
2. none of these defensive spells can fit on a bar that is willed with 5 attack skills, a snare, IAS and rez.
3. no
4. An attack chain with 3 or so KDs that insti gibs a target is the definition of synergy. to bad its imba.

U guys keep me busy dammit.

1. I beg to differ, my Blossom spammer can pressure almost as well as a Warrior. I might be more fragile but my DPS is way higher so that makes up for it. Arguably, still inferior in training than a War, but not useless. And I can spike way better.

2. You forget the Shadow Step

3. ...
4. Ehhh... agreed. Assacasters are the bane of our class.

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Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

this is perhaps the perfect example of why gw pvp is going down the tubes.

Care to elaborate?

jaeharys targaryen · Dec 27, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

U guys keep me busy dammit.

1. I beg to differ, my Blossom spammer can pressure almost as well as a Warrior. I might be more fragile but my DPS is way higher so that makes up for it. Arguably, still inferior in training than a War, but not useless. And I can spike way better.

2. You forget the Shadow Step

3. ...
4. Ehhh... agreed. Assacasters are the bane of our class.

Care to elaborate?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

DA is moderately balanced at this point, to the point where SS is one of the few imbalanced ones left. your just jumping on the bandwagon of nerf da(translation: please ignore my instagib melee assassin) train, but still making sure that YOU'RE favorite imba skill is untouched.

Bobby2 · Dec 27, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite

DA is moderately balanced at this point, to the point where SS is one of the few imbalanced ones left. your just jumping on the bandwagon of nerf da(translation: please ignore my instagib melee assassin) train, but still making sure that YOU'RE favorite imba skill is untouched.

1. My Sin runs
SSpeed-BMThrust-ExhAssault-Moebius-TOx-DBlossom-Rigor Mortis-Dash
that's far from instagib, no IAS, no Shadow Step: you don't know what you're talking about. /fail

2. Go cry at the Ranger forum over CripShot.

3. You still haven't explained your original statement

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Originally Posted by jaeharys targaryen

this is perhaps the perfect example of why gw pvp is going down the tubes.

Clarissa F · Dec 28, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Because whenever people start whining about how a class is too tough in PvP, they cry for nerf, and another class is made retarded, especially since they can't nerf a class in PvP without doing the same in PvE, as there is no separation other than pve-only skills.

Guess what? most of the people playing GW are casual PvE now, so I THINK the sin will remain as is.

Learn to cope, or find one of those games y'all think do the sin better, but quit crying for a nerf every time your undies get twisted when you get owned by a certain class. Oh, and this IS the PvEEEEEE forum for assassin. take your pvp crying elsewhere.

I have a class of first-graders who can adapt better.

-leaves thread to die in its flames-

Coloneh · Dec 28, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong again.
3. That's why.
4. Sure, label everything an assassin can do effectively as IMBA. Again, not my problem.

good argument genius

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

1. I beg to differ, my Blossom spammer can pressure almost as well as a Warrior. I might be more fragile but my DPS is way higher so that makes up for it. Arguably, still inferior in training than a War, but not useless. And I can spike way better.

2. You forget the Shadow Step

3. ...
4. Ehhh... agreed. Assacasters are the bane of our class.

1. can it also do a spike that compares to Evis + executioner's?
2. see? there isnt even room for 5 attacks, that explains SP...
3. go dot yourself.....
4. yupp

Bobby2 · Dec 28, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

1. can it also do a spike that compares to Evis + executioner's?
2. see? there isnt even room for 5 attacks, that explains SP...
3. go dot yourself.....
4. yupp

1. Not quite to that standard (build lacks DW) but my Sin's better at snaring. Which is cool too.
2. Yah yah. Not my fault there's only 8 slots.
3. ...

LightningHell · Dec 28, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Alright, so let's play a game.

Name something about the assassin that is IMBA, or needs attention, and I'll explain why it doesn't. (If you say that the problem is the the assassin is useless if it doesn't KO instantly, then you need more help with that class than I can give you.)

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

Assassins are a gank character, a type of character that has been bad for PvP in every RPG it has existed in. Gank characters are bad because their defining features are some combination of the ability to create completely one-sided fights at will, the ability to avoid fights not in their favor completely, and the ability to deny their opponents the ability to prepare for them.

If you still don't think that explains anything, reread the thread.

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

Because whenever people start whining about how a class is too tough in PvP, they cry for nerf, and another class is made retarded, especially since they can't nerf a class in PvP without doing the same in PvE, as there is no separation other than pve-only skills.

Guess what? most of the people playing GW are casual PvE now, so I THINK the sin will remain as is.

Learn to cope, or find one of those games y'all think do the sin better, but quit crying for a nerf every time your undies get twisted when you get owned by a certain class. Oh, and this IS the PvEEEEEE forum for assassin. take your pvp crying elsewhere.

I have a class of first-graders who can adapt better.

-leaves thread to die in its flames-

I have nothing to say if that's what you think about PvP.