Curse

smilingscar · Nov 26, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Personally, I think a gw assassin should be able to wield any one handed melee weapon as daggers (with dagger damage) provided they have it in perfect duplicate (one for primary hand, one for off hand). This would give you an dual katana wielding assassin, with perhaps an axe-berserker on the side.

Bobby2 · Nov 26, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by smilingscar

dual katana wielding assassin

*shoots himself*

Hyprodimus Prime · Nov 26, 2007, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuuda

True assassins need only four things:

- A target to kill.
- A tall building.
- A Sinper Rifle.
- Ammo and what not.

I doubt even Shield of Regeneration could prevent that death.

Ward Against Headshot

ensoriki · Nov 26, 2007, 04:33 AM // 04:33

All an assassin needs, is a Mrs. Assassin who doesnt know hes an assassin and he doesnt know shes an assassin.

I see it now

NcSoft presents

Guild Wars" Mr and Mrs. WTF

DDeathblade · Nov 26, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

I think GW dudes made it as "assassin" to describe it's ability to do extremely fast kills. Comparing a ninja (did they actually exist as a independent profession in Japan?), Assassin is more dark and mysterious, while Ninja is like a Ronin, fighting alone, but Ninja is.. well,

.

Actually, in hand-to-hand combat Ninja was worthless against Samurai who used No-Dachis, Katanas, while Ninjas used mainly katanas, Sais.. Ninja also worked alone.

But why assassin should not be called assassin is that assassins are mercenary murderers, Ninja is more combat based dude (wow, mentioned 3 times "assassin" in one sentence

)

Just my two cents.

majiger · Nov 26, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Umm...assassin use all weapons, they are masters at wielding any type of weapon to preform their assasinations, daggers are just used as a close range weapon when u want to be unoticed. Swords for when an assassin needs from stopping power.

DDeathblade · Nov 28, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

not true. Even medieval knights who trained to be soldiers since they were 10 learnt to use one or two weapons well (Sword/axe and mace perhaps). Assassins used daggers to stab, poison to poison.. Assassins didn't need other weapons as they weren't paid to kill guards and soldiers, only their targets.

"Assassins/ninjas were best warriors in world" is a typical pre-mature fantasy geek comment.

WarlordGrievous · Nov 28, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Yeah an' when I was playing them Assassin's Creed that Altiar man has this hidden blade 'n stuff. He dun' even luk like sum ninja.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Nov 29, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Woot someone else reads ninja burger<_<>_>

Also this topic needs a sticky.

Peloun · Dec 01, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by andreus71990

so basically, this guy wants a ninja, like ryu from ninja gaiden, with full gear and mask, but in guild wars? sounds like a new suggestion for a new skill set for sins. one in which a player can have linkable sword attacks, but with the sins one-two-three strike moves. spunds cool, but its never gonna happen. the ninja and the assassin are two different things. for assassin, think hitman, for ninja, think ninja gaiden's ryu.

lol

U sir is smart

ghostlyfenix · Dec 02, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37

go play WoW if u want to dual wield swords...

the lesser · Dec 04, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana

China has no ninjas. Although all Japanese martial arts are based from Chinese martial arts, so there is an indirect relationship.

um chinese star.

ensoriki · Dec 04, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

If your not Dual Wielding at all times you must be a girl
I'm always holding a weapon in my pants =P
usually im Triple Wielding on my assassin >.>

Jokes aside
Conclusion to this thread
A weapon does not make you an assassin.

Takuna · Dec 14, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Yeah, ninjas and assassins don't need to use particular weapons, really... And I must say that a dagger is often more effective in real life than a sword.

But I DO wish they would make more daggers like Shiro's Blades. Those were awesome but I'd like some that had a zealous mod...

Moonlit Azure · Dec 14, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

If Anet made assassins use any 1 handed weapon proficently, the class would be weak as hell. Sure, you have great versatility and can dress up as Naruto(why most people are assassins) too.

Narutards=ftl

Unreal Havoc · Dec 16, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

I've trained in Ninjutsu for 7 years and reached the grade of 1st Dan. My school is the Kokoro Dojo, which train in both Bujinkan and To-Shin-Do Ninjutsu. I've been lucky enough to be able to train with both Grandmaster Massaki hatsumi and An Shu Stephen hayes in my lifetime (something I will never , ever forget). I found this thread by chance and I find it amazing how alot of people still stereotype Ninjas based on what they may see in movies, etc. So I thought I'd share what I know from my experience of training in the Ninja arts.

Here is pretty much, but not limited to, a list of what weapons Ninjas used and continue to train with today.

Tanto (Dagger)
Kusari-Gama (Chain and Sickle)
Wazikashi (Short Katana)
Katana (Normal Katana)
Dai-Katana (Large Katana, mainly used for war)
Naginata (Halberd)
Ashiko (Foot claws, used for combat and climbing)
Shuko (Hand claws used for combat and climbing)
Tessen (Iron War fan used for attacking pressure points)
Chigiriki (A style of Morning Star)
Fukiya (Blowgun)
Hanbo (Short staff the same size as a walking stick)
Hoko (A type of spear. Also the name of a Defensive Stance)
Jutte (A type of Halberd)
Kakute (Poisoned rings worn by Kunoichi)
Kama (Sickles, normally used in pairs)
Neko-Te (Iron fingernails normally used by Kunoichi)
Kyoketsu-Shogei (Chain with a Knife on one end and a ring on the other)
Manriki-Gusari (Chain with weights attached to each end)
Shuriken (The traditional "Ninja Star")
Yari (A type of spear)
Kunai (Utility knife also used as a thrown dagger)
Tetsu-Bishi (Caltrops)
Bow (Long and Short. Should know what this one is)
Sai (Daggers with forked handguards used for disarming enemies)

Alot of Ninjutsu techniques tend to come from a large variety of Martial Arts. Dakken-Taijutsu consists of elements of Chinese Kickboxing and Judo, while other aspects of it combine muscle and bone destruction together to devastating effect. Most of what you learn in unarmed combat can be applied with a weapon quite easily and the sheer variety of techniques and ways to apply them allow for a unique style of martial art that allows the Ninja to apply the technique in a way that suits them.

Although stereotyped as Assassins, Ninjas were far from it. To be honest they very rarely killed anyone because in doing so they had failed their mission (unless, on the rare occasion, their mission was to assassinate). They were more manipulators of war (using politics and shifting the weight in favour of their hidden masters), not participants in it, so to speak. That doesn't mean they never fought, but that their purpose was more to remain unseen, and undetected throughout their whole mission in order to succeed in their goal.

A better way to think of Ninjas is as spies, rather than Assassins, as that's more the characteristics of their role. A good modern day pictation of a Ninja can be seen in the game Splinter Cell, with the player playing the part of Sam Fisher, he even does the forward roll properly.

Any questions? Feel free to ask, I'll be more than happy to awnser.

FlamingMetroid · Dec 16, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

I've trained in Ninjutsu for 7 years and reached the grade of 1st Dan. My school is the Kokoro Dojo, which train in both Bujinkan and To-Shin-Do Ninjutsu. I've been lucky enough to be able to train with both Grandmaster Massaki hatsumi and An Shu Stephen hayes in my lifetime (something I will never , ever forget). I found this thread by chance and I find it amazing how alot of people still stereotype Ninjas based on what they may see in movies, etc. So I thought I'd share what I know from my experience of training in the Ninja arts.

Here is pretty much, but not limited to, a list of what weapons Ninjas used and continue to train with today.

Tanto (Dagger)
Gusari-Kama (Chain and Sickle)
Wazikashi (Short Katana)
Katana (Normal Katana)
Dai-Katana (Large Katana, mainly used for war)
Naginata (Halberd)
Ashiko (Foot claws, used for combat and climbing)
Shuko (Hand claws used for combat and climbing)
Tessen (Iron War fan used for attacking pressure points)
Chigiriki (A style of Morning Star)
Fukiya (Blowgun)
Hanbo (Short staff the same size as a walking stick)
Hoko (A type of spear. Also the name of a Defensive Stance)
Jutte (A type of Halberd)
Kakute (Poisoned rings worn by Kunoichi)
Kama (Sickles, normally used in pairs)
Neko-Te (Iron fingernails normally used by Kunoichi)
Kyoketsu-Shogei (Chain with a Knife on one end and a ring on the other)
Manriki-Gusari (Chain with weights attached to each end)
Shuriken (The traditional "Ninja Star")
Yari (A type of spear)
Kunai (Utility knife also used as a thrown dagger)
Tetsu-Bishi (Caltrops)
Bow (Long and Short. Should know what this one is)
Sai (Daggers with forked handguards used for disarming enemies)

Alot of Ninjutsu techniques tend to come from a large variety of Martial Arts. Dakken-Taijutsu consists of elements of Chinese Kickboxing and Judo, while other aspects of it combine muscle and bone destruction together to devastating effect. Most of what you learn in unarmed combat can be applied with a weapon quite easily and the sheer variety of techniques and ways to apply them allow for a unique style of martial art that allows the Ninja to apply the technique in a way that suits them.

Although stereotyped as Assassins, Ninjas were far from it. To be honest they very rarely killed anyone because in doing so they had failed their mission (unless, on the rare occasion, their mission was to assassinate). They were more manipulators of war (using politics and shifting the weight in favour of their hidden masters), not participants in it, so to speak. That doesn't mean they never fought, but that their purpose was more to remain unseen, and undetected throughout their whole mission in order to succeed in their goal.

A better way to think of Ninjas is as spies, rather than Assassins, as that's more the characteristics of their role. A good modern day pictation of a Ninja can be seen in the game Splinter Cell, with the player playing the part of Sam Fisher, he even does the forward roll properly.

Any questions? Feel free to ask, I'll be more than happy to awnser.

I believe the technical term for one such post as this is "epic win."

ensoriki · Dec 16, 2007, 11:13 PM // 23:13

You've trained in Ninjutsu?

..........Shadow clone pl0x

and
pix or it didn't happen!

Also I know real ninjutsu has nothing to do with naruto >.>

Bobby2 · Dec 17, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

/win

Awesome. Confused though...

- I was under the distinct impression that real ninjas were not proficient with katanas, what with these swords being linked to the samurai class
- I always thought 'Shuko' and 'Neko-Te' (cat claws) were the same weapons
- no mention of the Jitte anywhere. I suppose it's a bit redundant, what with the Sai being listed, but I couldn't help but notice.
- Also thought the Wakizashi was not used, in favour of the Ninja-To, which basically is the same length, but with a straight blade instead of the war blade's curve.

Ehm... Hi Yah!?

FlamingMetroid · Dec 17, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Awesome. Confused though...

- I was under the distinct impression that real ninjas were not proficient with katanas, what with these swords being linked to the samurai class
- I always thought 'Shuko' and 'Neko-Te' (cat claws) were the same weapons
- no mention of the Jitte anywhere. I suppose it's a bit redundant, what with the Sai being listed, but I couldn't help but notice.
- Also thought the Wakizashi was not used, in favour of the Ninja-To, which basically is the same length, but with a straight blade instead of the war blade's curve.

Ehm... Hi Yah!?

Based on my understanding,

1&4- ninja were proficient in many weapons, katanas being important as they might frequently encounter them, and wakizashis wouldn't instanly reveal them as a ninja

2- Shuko are blades worn on the hands for tree climbing, sword catching, face pwning, ect. and Neko-Te being those things Vega from Street fighter has or something to that effect

but Mr. Ninja can prolly answer better