Curse

Bobby2 · May 14, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

What I get from this is that DS% is only applied to auto attack?

Unfortunately, this is correct. Some people have tried to make the best of it by the aforementioned [skill]locust's fury[/skill] coupled with +dmg boosts like [skill]conjure lightning[/skill] or [skill]strength of honor[/skill].

In short, you won't be considering double strike % much while Sinning.

Super Igor · May 14, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

If only [lucust's fury] gave 100% to double strike.....

Anyway, zeal, gives you energy, vamp is like meh...its not pvp and sundering is 101 on daggers.

IrishCB · May 14, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Unfortunately, this is correct. Some people have tried to make the best of it by the aforementioned [skill]locust's fury[/skill] coupled with +dmg boosts like [skill]conjure lightning[/skill] or [skill]strength of honor[/skill].

In short, you won't be considering double strike % much while Sinning.

Wow that is really stupid, the only way I can see a build out of it is if you have Locust Fury an IAS and IWeapon. What a useless Mastery attribute especially when a sins damage comes from his/her chains. When are you gunna just sit there and auto attack? Stupid plain stupid
On topic: I guess the +5e would be better to pull off that little extra dmg or a survivability skill.

Super Igor · May 15, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

I guess the +5e would be better to pull off that little extra dmg or a survivability skill.

This is what is defo...extremely stupid comment. If you are playoing Assassin....and dont have energy on a surviveablity skill you are doing it horribly.....hirribly wrong and must consider to research and learn to play Assassin or play something else/uninstall.

Sorry m8, harsh reality that is.

Bobby2 · May 15, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

What's a survivability skill?

petrorabbit · May 15, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

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What a useless Mastery attribute especially when a sins damage comes from his/her chains. When are you gunna just sit there and auto attack? Stupid plain stupid

Actually, in PvP, there was a whole team that would run 2 or more assassins with [Locusts Fury], [Flurry], and [Fear Me]. Yes it sounds stupid, but it was effective enough that they nerfed Fear Me with a recycle time.

Tyla · May 15, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

It's a shame that was bad...

I prefer real pressure.

IrishCB · May 15, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

This is what is defo...extremely stupid comment. If you are playoing Assassin....and dont have energy on a surviveablity skill you are doing it horribly.....hirribly wrong and must consider to research and learn to play Assassin or play something else/uninstall.

Sorry m8, harsh reality that is.

WTF? Grammar ? Spell-check? If you wanna flame make sure you do it right; Don't have some 1/2assed comment. Just because someone doesn't play the game like you do, you don't flame them for not being a cookie cutter conformist like you. Maybe people want to try something different, something that you probably don't do. So go take some Zanax and calm down buddy.

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

What's a survivability skill?

Sorry I play multiple games, so my terminology is like a Gumbo. I was talking like self-heal(bad ex. for a sin), Flashing blades, Crit Defenses etc

Bobby2 · May 15, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

Sorry I play multiple games, so my terminology is like a Gumbo.

I knew what you were getting at, but...

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

I was talking like self-heal(bad ex. for a sin)

Indeed...

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

Flashing blades

Remove this from your bar pl0x...

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

Crit Defenses etc

This is free.

What I was getting at is that there's very few options for an Assassin to viably increase his survivability. The bars I've had most success with were a combination of direct offense skills (your run-of-the-mill horrifyingly damaging dagger attacks, foe-targeting Shadow Steps) and utility (Dash and Siphon Speed come to mind first) in different combinations, running no defense at all. Of course this varies highly between individuals and their playstyle, but you can't deny

The Shadow Arts line sucks ******(!!!!) *****.

And that's coming from a guy who's been addicted to the use of [skill]beguiling haze[/skill] for quite some time now.

Super Igor · May 15, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

WTF? Grammar ? Spell-check? If you wanna flame make sure you do it right; Don't have some 1/2assed comment. Just because someone doesn't play the game like you do, you don't flame them for not being a cookie cutter conformist like you. Maybe people want to try something different, something that you probably don't do. So go take some Zanax and calm down buddy.

Irish, your comment looks like: Bla bla bla bla....om nom nom nom....I am out of the box this why I am very bad....your english is bad bla bla bla.....internets are serious businesss bla bla bla....I am a kid bla bla bla bla, om nom nom. Generic repply for people like you.

Everyone is free to give their oppinions on whoever, I gave mine about you, live with it. About grammar, it is internet, nobody gives a damn about certain things, I dont give a damn about checking my posts for typos.

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

Sorry I play multiple games, so my terminology is like a Gumbo. I was talking like self-heal(bad ex. for a sin), Flashing blades, Crit Defenses etc

[flashing blades] isnt worth its elite status, a costly and pretty bad skill compared to [critical defenses] and genrally both skills are unneeded, Assassin is not and will never be a tank, skills mentioned above emply it to be such which doesnt fit the profession good. As an Assassin you have an ability to deal HUGE physical damage per second constantly without worries but as you cant tank it is better to send you minion wall into the fray first, let the aggro settle and then rush in and kill everything without even being hit much.
If you rush in mindlessly in front of everyone like a high AL target could you would die or make you healers suffer tring to save you Ass, dont try to disprove me in this, Ive seens countless Assassin players who try do do "tanking" which leads them to lying on the ground most of the time.

Self Heal......you have your healers for a reason, let them do their job (making red bars go up) and let yourself do your job (making things esplode

).

IrishCB · May 15, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

[QUOTE=Super Igor]Irish, your comment looks like: Bla bla bla bla....om nom nom nom....I am out of the box this why I am very bad....your english is bad bla bla bla.....internets are serious businesss bla bla bla....I am a kid bla bla bla bla, om nom nom. Generic repply for people like you.

[QUOTE]

Wow, did I hit a soft spot on the Mister? Read forum rules about butchering the english language. What you can't right click the underlined word? Can't take 1 second out of your life to spell-check so people know wtf you are saying? "om nom nom? What is this? You need to learn constructive criticism and stop bashing everyone who disagrees with you. Your comment was immature at best. You say I was trolling and flaming when you're the one who started it. End of Discussion

Have a nice day eat some cake

Tyla · May 15, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

Read forum rules about butchering the english language.

I know a certain someone who's been doing that for a few months and hasn't been banned once for it, if memory serves...

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"om nom nom? What is this?

Nom Nom Nom is another way of saying eating.

And if you ask me, he made a good point underneath the second time he quoted you.

Either way, you're both getting...INCINERATION!

IrishCB · May 15, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I know a certain someone who's been doing that for a few months and hasn't been banned once for it, if memory serves...

Nom Nom Nom is another way of saying eating.

And if you ask me, he made a good point underneath the second time he quoted you.

I never disagreed with his skill comment. Yes I do agree Flashing Blades is bad, but I was just giving an example. If no one has been banned from the forums by not following the rules, there is no point to continue because he'll just keep flaming.

/Closed

Tyla · May 15, 2008, 05:27 PM // 17:27

/Report the post, maybe put them on ignore, don't post back because if said person is trolling you're just feeding them. GG

Super Igor · May 15, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

omnomnomnom sometimes stands for rants etc.

Anyway, gave my oppinion on you Irish and you example, dont like it, dont respond with your "WTF?", "Learn to English" and other funny things.

Or there would be a flame thread....what is worse....it would be in Assassin dept, and we Assassins, dont like flamings.

I know that my English is kinda bad when I come to teh internets, but hey, nobody really minds it as far as I can see, you dont mind my English do you gais?

Kaleban · May 15, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

What I was getting at is that there's very few options for an Assassin to viably increase his survivability. The bars I've had most success with were a combination of direct offense skills (your run-of-the-mill horrifyingly damaging dagger attacks, foe-targeting Shadow Steps) and utility (Dash and Siphon Speed come to mind first) in different combinations, running no defense at all. Of course this varies highly between individuals and their playstyle, but you can't deny

The Shadow Arts line sucks ******(!!!!) *****.

And that's coming from a guy who's been addicted to the use of [skill]beguiling haze[/skill] for quite some time now.

QFT. Shadow Arts is meh in PvP, any "survival" skill the sin has is usually too little, too late. Better to get in, unload and kill, then get out.

Shadowsteps > self-heal in almost every situation I can think of in PvP, the [skill]Shadow Walk[/skill] and [skill]Dash[/skill] combo is a good one, as well as the best ss in the game, [skill]Beguiling Haze[/skill], a personal fave.

Hell, [skill]Siphon Strength[/skill] is a far superior elite skill to [skill]Flashing Blades[/skill], consider that FB is a stance, so no IAS (most PvP IAS are stance) and its easier for most melee classes to remove stances than an enchant such as [skill]Critical Defenses[/skill] which provides the same, potentially longer, is non-elite, and harder to remove in general.

RavagerOfDreams · May 15, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

trying to keep this thread on topic for the poor OP

your going to want Zealous 15^50 or 15^enchanted daggers of fortitude (+30)

if your short on cash there are many green daggers with these stats that sell for a easy 3-6k and you can pick them up at your local spamadan

the +5 energy argument doesn't really apply to the moebius build as you can easily have high energy just by using [skill]Critical Strike[/skill] so the extra damage is good.

Super Igor · May 15, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

dont forget [lotus strike] and [golden lotus strike] which are too can be used to manage you energy though surely, they are inferior to [critical strike].

My personal fave for energy management is [critical eye], it is unstrippable, boosts crit chance, helps mantain [critical agility] and [critical defenses] (if I take the skill surely.