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Bobby2 · Apr 15, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by bj91x

Critical Defenses and Agility are not loaded with defense. Defenses only works against attacks and +24 armor on an A isn't too much to boast about. The only time to really use SY is in HM and in HM, CD and CA aren't good enough for an A to spam SY, even with healers healing him. But that's just my opinion. I'd personally stick with W and P for SY, but whatever suits you.

I agree that SY! fits better on a W or a P, however, that is irrelevant for this discussion - it's intended for people who are H&Hing through PvE on their Sin. Is SY! powerful enough to 'make room for'? As I stated before, I believe it is. High-level PvE is chock full of dangerous melee baddies and +100AL for the other 7 guys is too good to pass up (hence the secondary suggestion of CritDefenses - but never mind that now).

If you do not think SY! is worth the slot, this discussion simply isn't meant for you.

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Originally Posted by bj91x

Btw, what's up with the title? "Definitive best PVE sin"? No way is this the "definitive best PVE sin" build. There's no such thing. Different builds have different strengths and weaknesses and this build is somewhat specific to enemies that don't get killed instantly. In most NM areas, enemies get killed so fast, I sometimes don't even get a chance to use MS on below 50% enemies.

lmao Hold your horses. READ the title. This thread is meant for people to discuss, and hopefully agree on, what counts as the 'optimal' sin build - aiming for maximum efficiency in every slot.

As for your last statement, way to beat a dead horse. GFS-WS for you? READ, please. I'm too lazy to get wound up but you'd think people posting here would have finished primary school.

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On second thought - I've gotten what I wanted from this thread already, and the trolls are starting to take over. Mods, lock please.

XDeadboltX · Apr 16, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by bj91x

In most NM areas, enemies get killed so fast, I sometimes don't even get a chance to use MS on below 50% enemies.

Yeah I agree Moebius isnt too good for NM. For NM id rather just go A/D with scythe, at least then Im not waiting for any of my combo to recharge. HM I'll stick with moebius.

bj91x · Apr 16, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

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Like I said, if you like it, then great. If you need SY to H/H through PVE with an A, then go right ahead. Not my place to tell you not to take it if you need it.

Read the title? I did. It says:

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Definitive 'best' PvE Sin discussion

Which is exactly what I said... though you don't seem to get the point. The word "discussion" is not relevent. People to discuss and agree on an optimal build? Aiming for max efficiency in every slot? You may one day realize that there is no such thing.

And just because you got what you needed, it doesn't mean a mod will close a thread. A message board isn't your personal space for you to ask to close at your own desire. And no, people disagreeing with you is not trolling. I honestly don't see anybody trolling here, save for a post or two that are some what questionable.

While I don't see anybody trolling, it seems to me that you have an attitude problem. But whatever... I have very little interest in wasting more of my time with somebody acting immature, no offense.

moriz · Apr 16, 2008, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by bj91x

People to discuss and agree on an optimal build? Aiming for max efficiency in every slot? You may one day realize that there is no such thing.

incorrect
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Bobby2 · Apr 16, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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While I don't see anybody trolling, it seems to me that you have an attitude problem. But whatever... I have very little interest in wasting more of my time with somebody acting immature, no offense.

I rest my case.

Renew request for lock as this is turning into more and more of a travesty.

Coloneh · Apr 16, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by bj91x

People to discuss and agree on an optimal build? Aiming for max efficiency in every slot? You may one day realize that there is no such thing.

I wish

that would be the optimal gw, where everything is balanced. unfortunately this is the real world and some things are better than others.

bj91x · Apr 17, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

OK, then. Let me know once you guys are done creating your "definitive best PVE sin" build.

I'll drag your "definitive best PVE sin" build and show you many, many, many, many situations where your "definitive best PVE sin" won't be as effective as switching to another build.

There is no such thing as a "definitive best PVE sin". In fact, there's no such thing as a "definitive best" any build. No matter what build you create, you will encounter areas and situations where another build is better suited.

Bobby2 · Apr 17, 2008, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by bj91x

There is no such thing as a "definitive best PVE sin". In fact, there's no such thing as a "definitive best" any build. No matter what build you create, you will encounter areas and situations where another build is better suited.

'Optional'. It's been mentioned.

Coloneh · Apr 17, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by bj91x

OK, then. Let me know once you guys are done creating your "definitive best PVE sin" build.

I'll drag your "definitive best PVE sin" build and show you many, many, many, many situations where your "definitive best PVE sin" won't be as effective as switching to another build.

There is no such thing as a "definitive best PVE sin". In fact, there's no such thing as a "definitive best" any build. No matter what build you create, you will encounter areas and situations where another build is better suited.

once again, this perfectly balanced guild wars does not exist. it would be nice is it did, but in the cuttent state of the game some skills and synergys are imba. thats just how it is. any odd situation should be able to be handles by 1-2 optional skill slots.

Unreal Havoc · Apr 26, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by bj91x

Critical Defenses and Agility are not loaded with defense. Defenses only works against attacks and +24 armor on an A isn't too much to boast about. The only time to really use SY is in HM and in HM, CD and CA aren't good enough for an A to spam SY, even with healers healing him.

Then your Monks fail hard. Harsh but true, because I don't even run Critical Defenses with my version of the build and do just fine on HM and elite areas when I have a good Monk, be it player or hero. Seriously, if your Monks fail to keep you alive when the whole party has +100 armour then it's time to look for a new team to play with.

As for definitive Assassin build, find an Assassin build that does what this does better? I guarantee you that there isn't really anything that comes close because there are various variants of the build to cope with most issues the player is faced up against.

Cahalith · May 01, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I agree that the extra effects on the leads mentioned in this thread are good, but I personally prefer to run Jagged Strike- bleeding is nice on all fleshy creatures, and the 1s recharge really can't be beat.

My build lately (keep in mind I'm only at the Echovald in Factions):

Jagged Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Lotus Strike (extra energy)
Critical Strike (guaranteed crit)
Critical Agility
Optional
Optional

I love the quick recharge of the primary attack chain, which allows for spammability- more spamming when I can cap Moebius. Lotus and Critical are useful for their extra effects if I need them. So far, it's been serving me really well, but I'd be happy to take suggestions on it.

FlamingMetroid · May 01, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Cahalith

I agree that the extra effects on the leads mentioned in this thread are good, but I personally prefer to run Jagged Strike- bleeding is nice on all fleshy creatures, and the 1s recharge really can't be beat.

My build lately (keep in mind I'm only at the Echovald in Factions):

[Jagged Strike]
[Wild Strike]
[Death Blossom]
[Lotus Strike] (extra energy)
[Critical Strike] (guaranteed crit)
[Critical Agility]
Optional
Optional

I love the quick recharge of the primary attack chain, which allows for spammability- more spamming when I can cap Moebius. Lotus and Critical are useful for their extra effects if I need them. So far, it's been serving me really well, but I'd be happy to take suggestions on it.

You shouldn't need lotus strike if you already have Crit Strike. Sneak Attack >= Golden Fox > Unsuspecting > other leads > Jagged strike. It's baed, 1 sec recharge doesn't mean anything when all the other recharges are 4sec-ish.

alexlc84 · May 03, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

jagged strike
wild strike
repeating strike
death blossom
crit eye
flashing blades
save yourselves
rez/dash/optional

Unreal Havoc · May 03, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by alexlc84

jagged strike
wild strike
repeating strike
death blossom
crit eye
flashing blades
save yourselves
rez/dash/optional

Anyone with any common sense would not take that over a MS/DB spammer. You simply cannot compete with repeatable AoE double strikes and if taken in a variant repeatable double strike energy management.

FlamingMetroid · May 03, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by alexlc84

jagged strike

repeating strike

flashing blades

I lol'd
no wonder good players cant get PUGs

isamu kurosawa · May 05, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Ok, ok. Here it is. The secret weapon all sins have been waiting for.

Crit Wanding!

hehe, i did that for my alliances screenshot forum a while ago, thoguht i'd post it here.

...I can't for the life of me remember why my sin was topless at the time though...