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Old Aug 24, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37   #21
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Its a stupid mechanic compleatly. no build with a shadow step has been good but not imba. It cant be balanced, I would love to see the entire mechanic removed.
Stupid mechanic yes. But making an elite that was not used much compared to [shadow prison] have an aftercast is dumb. I can understand an aftercast on the non-elite shadow steps.

All they really need to do is remove the aftercasts on the elites. Because the only thing that uses assassin elites most of the time is an assassin.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57   #22
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So because it's an Assassin it's not a broken mechanic?

It doesn't matter who uses it, it's still a stupid mechanic.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00   #23
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remove aftercast on elite shadowsteps
keep it on normal shadowsteps
idea?
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58   #24
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So because it's an Assassin it's not a broken mechanic?

It doesn't matter who uses it, it's still a stupid mechanic.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04   #25
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remove aftercast on elite shadowsteps
keep it on normal shadowsteps
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Yeah most of the shadows steps being used on other classes were the non-elites such as shadow walk and deaths charge.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57   #26
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ANet won't fix it. More adapting, less whining please.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03   #27
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ANet won't fix it. More adapting, less whining please.
They are to busy just making everything crap.

Seriously comeback with something other then this bullshit.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20   #28
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Yeah most of the shadows steps being used on other classes were the non-elites such as shadow walk and deaths charge.
they were using non-elites because they didnt have to use the elite versions. if they need to use the elite versions they will.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39   #29
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they were using non-elites because they didnt have to use the elite versions. if they need to use the elite versions they will.
most non-sins rely on their elite attack skill to do kikass dmg
(except maybe during the short lived [pious assault])

sins were using elite shadowsteps cuz elite dagger attack skills were crap for spike chains


[wounding strike] > [golden skull strike] + [moebius strike] + [shattering assault] + [temple strike] combined
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53   #30
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they were using non-elites because they didnt have to use the elite versions. if they need to use the elite versions they will.

No hammer war is going to give up dev/magehunters for an elite shadow step. Wounding strike is to good on a derv to give up. What well a mes do with it possibly use it with black out? Honestly buffing the elites wouldn't do much harm. Might even get sins back in the meta but all know how much Izzy loves the meta.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58   #31
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No hammer war is going to give up dev/magehunters for an elite shadow step.
No you don't get it. A lot of shadow step abuse came from shadow step -> wearying strike on 3-2-1's to provide deepwound w/o giving away who the target is. If they removed the aftercast on the elite shadow steps people would use them again just for that reason.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08   #32
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No you don't get it. A lot of shadow step abuse came from shadow step -> wearying strike on 3-2-1's to provide deepwound w/o giving away who the target is. If they removed the aftercast on the elite shadow steps people would use them again just for that reason.
ummm... what?
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17   #33
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What are you talking about? Izzy caters to leetist of the leet. He's great for hardest of the HARDKORE who win at life when they win at GvG!

I'm sorry, I'm trying to see the positives of his method but end up agreeing with you. He really does need a new job, and I hope he never touches GW2.
it sounds like you think izzy shouldn't make gvg his top priority when balancing skills.
due to the fact that balance is most important in competitive gameplay and gvg is the most competitive format in gw, i have to disagree with you.

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No you don't get it. A lot of shadow step abuse came from shadow step -> wearying strike on 3-2-1's to provide deepwound w/o giving away who the target is. If they removed the aftercast on the elite shadow steps people would use them again just for that reason.
i dont think people used d/a's with AoD+wearying strike...
and i don't blame them. wounding strike is better and wearying strike = avatar of melandru on your bar.
forget that i'm dumb. a/d's with assassin's remedy.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25   #34
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No hammer war is going to give up dev/magehunters for an elite shadow step. Wounding strike is to good on a derv to give up. What well a mes do with it possibly use it with black out? Honestly buffing the elites wouldn't do much harm. Might even get sins back in the meta but all know how much Izzy loves the meta.
you apparently dont remember 3 warriors appearing on your backline and spiking down one of your monks. if people dont have their elite attacks they are going to spike the same target.
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Old Aug 24, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11   #35
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ummm... what?
PvP tactic

Spike groups would use a assassin with a shadow step and [assassins remedy] +[wearying strike] to provide deepwound on spikes. This was the safest way to apply deepwound as they couldn't preprot the target based on frontline movement.
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Old Aug 25, 2008, 11:08 AM // 11:08   #36
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it sounds like you think izzy shouldn't make gvg his top priority when balancing skills.
due to the fact that balance is most important in competitive gameplay and gvg is the most competitive format in gw, i have to disagree with you.
Sure it maybe the most competitive but 1 skill being imba in a pvp format doesn't equate it being imba in the other. Take [Hidden Caltrops] for an example, it is almost near imba in controlled environments such as TA and a single kill = a huge advantage over opponent's team. However in AB, it's usability drops dramatically due to the emphasis on mobility and scores are hugely dependent on shrine capping.

The nerf hardly had any effect on me since I usually shadowstep to a dummy target and go for his/her mate instead. And it works well almost all of the time since most monks fall for this trick.
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Old Aug 25, 2008, 11:24 AM // 11:24   #37
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Shadowstepping is an inherantly broken mechanic in the first place, in any type of PvP.
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Old Aug 25, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35   #38
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Why would you use AoD when you can you Backbreaker?
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Old Aug 25, 2008, 01:48 PM // 13:48   #39
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Shadowstepping is an inherantly broken mechanic in the first place, in any type of PvP.
End thread really.

Any game that has tried a mechanic of this type has found it to fail, for good reason.

Check out the effect Stalkers had on the City of Heroes PvP meta with the "stealth" mechanic or WoW back in the day when 50% of the PvP meta were stun-lock Rogues.

The only mistake Anet made was allowing shadow-stepping in the first place, on a class that could insta-gib, and restricting it to the class won't really solve it's brokenness.

It's been a common error made by this generation of MMO's and they have all realized that, while fun for many, such mechanics are bad for the game as a whole.

Anet seems to have finally realized the same.
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Old Aug 25, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16   #40
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End thread really.
I disagree, the topic at hand really has nothing to do with how broken a mechanic is if you ask me.
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