Curse

Asguard · Sep 07, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

ok, normally i wouldnt do this. but.. im going to share a build..
first up, a skill list
1- golden fox strike
2-golden fang strike <OR wild strike of stance heavy>
3-death blossom
4-"I am the strongest!"
5-asuran scan
6-critical eye
7-way of the assassin{e}
8-critical agility <or critical defense for safety>

stats, 12+3+1 critical strike, 12+1 dagger mastery
<recommended rank 5+ asuran and norn titles, higher is better

in hard mode i have personally hit for over 100 with the lead attack, 70-90 with offhand, and 160+ <per hit> with death blossom.

most dont live through the first combo, casters especially, warriors can hardly stand 2 chains. bosses are 2-4 depending on their skills and class

with rank 8 lightbringer, 15% <any mod>, 20% from customize, 45-75% from scan, possible 150% damage output +14-20 from IATS. and very high critical rate. damage potential is through the roof

if you have questions, ign- Asguard Of Cantha. recommendations welcome <note the recharge on attacks first (4 second kills)>

Nibbit · Sep 07, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

OMG your so good! THANKS for sharing your Uber .... build. I bet you were the person who invented the original wammo build.

Bobby2 · Sep 07, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Not bad but it could be better

Here's a hint: [way of the assassin] < [moebius strike]

Molock · Sep 07, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

I have a few comments or suggestions:

1. You don't need 16 critical strikes, in fact that is too much. 14 Dagger, 13 critical strikes is a superior attribute distribution.
2. Way of the assassin + critical agility is redundant. Keep Critical agility and trash WotA.
3. Add Moebius Strike. Consider Club of a Thousand Bears.

Overall pretty good, but some changes would improve it.

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Originally Posted by Nibbit

OMG your so good! THANKS for sharing your Uber .... build. I bet you were the person who invented the original wammo build.

Useless post.

graverobber2 · Sep 07, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

you can't raise your attack speed over 33%
so if you're using [critical agility], [Way of the assassin] is a waste of your elite slot

illidan009 · Sep 07, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

OMG HOW DO YOU HIT SO HIGH?? Maybe b/c you have Asuran scan....and how is this build different from the PvE sin builds we see nowadays? Unless you were the original user of Asuran scan in a high dmg assassin build, this build is nothing special(although I don't think it's on pvx wiki yet)

FlamingMetroid · Sep 07, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

MS/DB is better and always will be

Asguard · Sep 07, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Not bad but it could be better

Here's a hint: [way of the assassin] < [moebius strike]

actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this

and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..

FlamingMetroid · Sep 07, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Asguard

actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this

and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..

turn on hard mode then, and yes IAS doesn't stack beyond 33%

Asguard · Sep 07, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

turn on hard mode then, and yes IAS doesn't stack beyond 33%

like i said, in hard mode nothing lasts through more than 2 chains, and the attacks recharge fast enough without MS....

FlamingMetroid · Sep 07, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Asguard

like i said, in hard mode nothing lasts through more than 2 chains, and the attacks recharge fast enough without MS....

and since WoTA basically does nothing for you, you might as well use MS and use DB more

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 07, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Asguard

actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this

and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..

and this is why you get flamed.
there is a 33% ias cap. this is a fact.
your build is a less effective version of the typical ms/db build. this is a fact.
edit: lol, mostly the 33% ias thing. wtf, you think after 3 years this cap might just be a rumor?

Bobby2 · Sep 07, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asguard

actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this

Wow what a strong statement

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asguard

and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..

especially since it's obvious you've still got a lot to learn

legacyofkain85 · Sep 07, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asguard

actually by the time u use death blossom they are dead... MS is useless in a build like this

and WoTA is used for the crit chance..... and i find it hard to believe there's a 33% speed cap on melee..

belive it because there is ,except if it comes from a direct skill,ias wont stack beyond 33%,same goes for Ims(increased movement speed) it wont go pass 33% i think unless coming form a single skill like dash which is 50%,there was a time if im not mistaken when necro orders stacked an people used to run Iway with double orders and the ias they had stacked with the one from iway.

-Lotus- · Sep 07, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

MS>>>>>>>>> WotA

and your attributes are better off at:
13 crt
14 dagger

lose the superior rune.

Gift3d · Sep 07, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Moebius_Sin

Basically what you've posted is a less effective version of this.

Taixen · Sep 08, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

belive it because there is ,except if it comes from a direct skill,ias wont stack beyond 33%,same goes for Ims(increased movement speed) it wont go pass 33% i think unless coming form a single skill like dash which is 50%,because i belive there there was once a time when orders on necro stacked an people used to run Iway with double orders and the ias from iway stacked with the ias they had if im not mistaken ,hehe picture that.

I had to read the last part of that post 4 times before it made much sense ^^.

Slightly Off-Topic - I saw a Warrior use IWAY in RA earlier, to make it worse - he had no fallen allies.

But yeah, MS+Death Blossom is a much more effective build imho.

gigahertz205 · Sep 08, 2008, 02:13 AM // 02:13

why not just use critical agility and use a more useful elite?

MercenaryKnight · Sep 08, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

Not really that many elites out there besides mobius strike. I still think you should get MS instead of wota. Because then if your fighting a boss you can continue chaining deathblossom without wasting time with the other attack skills.

Melandrus Torment · Sep 08, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

I tested this variant on Isle of Nameless on the 100 suit of armour.

[unsuspecting strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][asuran scan][critical eye][critical agility][sunspear rebirth signet]

Attributes were:

Dagger Mastery 12+1+1
Critical Strikes 12+1

Weapon was:

Tormented Daggers, 15^50%, 20/20, +30, customized.

Surprisingly it took the armour down by Death Blossom, my Asuran rank is maximum. So maybe you could leave out Moebius Strike and run something else in your bar, with your secondary proffession left wide open.