Curse

Enable · Sep 13, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

ya i think ill use restore condition
becuase the mobs always makes me blind

petrorabbit · Sep 13, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

If you're having trouble with conditions, The build Tyla posted is solid, just add [Assassin's Remedy]. In case you are unfamiliar with how it works, it will remove a condition when you activate an attack skill, so blind will be removed before you attack.

One thing that will help a lot is dump one hero monk (you can always use a henchie monk) for an MM. MM's will provide more targets to soak up damage. Personally, I used an MM with [Blood is Power] so he plays the role of MM + battery.

At least it'll be useful till you can do Sabway, aka triple necro vanquish.

Kosman · Sep 13, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

Worst English on this forum for quite a while. Here's your cookie.

Laugh out loud.

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 13, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

i stoped using monk heroes a long time ago ,unless i need a specific build for an area or i need to micro prot on a target,i alaways take Mhenlo and Lina
and use [Blood Is Power]on a hero ,if i cant have that i use[Blood Ritual] and if u dont want a necro hero ,take Eve she has blood ritual and will hapilyspam it on he 2 monk henchman,for heroes take dmg dealers and support for the team

why would OP take hench healers when he's running with 2 people and 6 heroes?

Enable · Sep 13, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Channeling is a pretty weak skill outside of HA.

Heal Party is also bad on a hero because they have the habit of using it as a single-target heal.

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][dismiss condition][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy]

[restore condition][guardian][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][remove hex][divine healing][glyph of lesser energy]

+ The Earth bar Turbo posted.

Bad build is bad.

You've got Critical Defenses, Mystic Regeneration and Way of Perfection. The only selfish defense skill you should bring on a 'Sin is Critical Defenses, and even then I won't run it in an 8 man enviroment, Way of Perfection needs you to spec into an extremely weak skill line, shortening the possible attributes, for the spec in Mystic Regeneration you're best off running Healing Breeze. Not to mention you already get an armour buff through Critical Agility as an add-on with the IAS.

[critical agility][golden fox strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][brawling headbutt]["save yourselves!"][no skill]

If you don't have access to "Save Yourselves!", run Asuran Scan or something. If you want more defense, run Critical Defenses.

about the assassin build u gave me

i have only save your self

and now i have 2 free slots
what ill put there?

Tyla · Sep 13, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Brawling Heatbutt is easily obtained by completing the first Brawling quest in Gunnar's Hold. It should take 5 minutes at most.

Enable · Sep 13, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Brawling Heatbutt is easily obtained by completing the first Brawling quest in Gunnar's Hold. It should take 5 minutes at most.

i dont have to get any rank for Brawling Heatbutt ?

and i have one more slot X:

what ill put there?

thanks

Spiritz · Sep 13, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Way i do things and is similar to whats been suggested already - any new area i will check out and test with different builds for several runs , each time you die you may learn something - also you can setup a monk with a bonding skill - judges insight ( cant remember if correct ) is a good one that gives the bonded person extra melee dmg. Always with heros have several builds especially the monk heros as ppl will agree ... X build may work one place but will suck somewhere else.

Would also suggest check out the sabway and discordway builds for heros and as your in 6 hero team you can share the necros - 2 good team builds for different circumstances which worked for me thru eotn.
And lastly - never give up ... even the ppl who say xxxx is easy have struggled at some stage and wont admit it ( sorry guys/girls but we all kno its true

)

Enable · Sep 13, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

Way i do things and is similar to whats been suggested already - any new area i will check out and test with different builds for several runs , each time you die you may learn something - also you can setup a monk with a bonding skill - judges insight ( cant remember if correct ) is a good one that gives the bonded person extra melee dmg. Always with heros have several builds especially the monk heros as ppl will agree ... X build may work one place but will suck somewhere else.

Would also suggest check out the sabway and discordway builds for heros and as your in 6 hero team you can share the necros - 2 good team builds for different circumstances which worked for me thru eotn.
And lastly - never give up ... even the ppl who say xxxx is easy have struggled at some stage and wont admit it ( sorry guys/girls but we all kno its true

)

your right thanks ^^

Enable · Sep 14, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Channeling is a pretty weak skill outside of HA.

Heal Party is also bad on a hero because they have the habit of using it as a single-target heal.

[word of healing][dwayna's kiss][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][dismiss condition][cure hex][glyph of lesser energy]

[restore condition][guardian][shield of absorption][protective spirit][aegis][remove hex][divine healing][glyph of lesser energy]

+ The Earth bar Turbo posted.

Bad build is bad.

You've got Critical Defenses, Mystic Regeneration and Way of Perfection. The only selfish defense skill you should bring on a 'Sin is Critical Defenses, and even then I won't run it in an 8 man enviroment, Way of Perfection needs you to spec into an extremely weak skill line, shortening the possible attributes, for the spec in Mystic Regeneration you're best off running Healing Breeze. Not to mention you already get an armour buff through Critical Agility as an add-on with the IAS.

[critical agility][golden fox strike][golden fang strike][death blossom][moebius strike][brawling headbutt]["save yourselves!"][no skill]

If you don't have access to "Save Yourselves!", run Asuran Scan or something. If you want more defense, run Critical Defenses.

btw

the monk build that u gave me

i dont see there any ress X:

i dont need one?

Tyla · Sep 14, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Monk bars are kinda weak with res. Moreso with heroes.

In most of PvE, there will be a res shrine so it'll be better to wipe than to have your Monk Rebirth everyone simply because it's incredibly timewasting, and if you are constantly failing it without DP, or from 15%, you should completely rethink how you're allocating your defenses. Mid-battle res skills would be better for this purpose, and a mid-battle res is a bad idea on a Monk because said Monk will not be doing their job if they are ressing mid-battle. Ressing mid-battle on a Monk would cause more problems than it would solve problems.

Enable · Sep 14, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

ok thanks............................................ ..

(at least 12 characters ><)

petrorabbit · Sep 14, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I agree that rezzing mid-combat isn't a very good idea.

But I do think it wouldn't hurt to have 1 or 2 rezzes in the group, whether brought by a monk or other party members. Sometimes a party member can get killed during combat. Rezing a dead party member post battle to keep your party full is better than proceeding one person short IMO.

Even if you do bring a rez, just make sure its turned off, and you can activate it post-battle to keep your group closer to full strength

Destro Maniak · Sep 14, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

dude take:
1 healer hero
and 2 monk hench

you wont die unless hardcore
on hardcore you may die

Turbobusa · Sep 14, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

I recommend focussing on killing and taking some skills to negate damage on each char ([enfeebling blood] is the perfect exemple of a good use of one's secondary taht will benefit your team at low cost on your build).
Remember: what's dead does not harm you.

illidan009 · Sep 15, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Asuran scan anyone...? That plus a fast atk sin chain is pure ownage...even with weakness on me(my monk was being retarded and not removing) with the scan I hit about 40 or even 50 per hit....Add that to Tyla's build you should be good.

fireflyry · Sep 15, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

As others have said EotN is 99% condition and hex spam.

Adapt your builds to be a little more removal focused and you should be fine.I just add hex removal to one of my heroes and slot [assassin's remedy] in certain areas or alternately slot [foul feast] + [plague sending] on a Necro which works a treat in EotN.Tyla's monk bars look great although personally I prefer exploiting the spammable heals/removal/mitigation Necros and N/Rits provide thanks to soul reaping.

I also can't imagine any Sin not rolling [splinter weapon] on at least one hero.

Other than that if your H/Hing a lot, and don't already, a little micro by the way of hotkeys goes a long way towards keeping you alive especially in getting your prots and removal targeted correctly.Heroes often prioritize key skills badly and hotkeying a few key hero skills in conjunction with self-targeting can make the game a lot easier, especially if your rolling three caster heroes as I imagine you'll be soaking up a fair bit of the initial aggro and spikes.

Having skills like [protective spirit] and [remove hex] a key press away helps hugely.

[save yourselves!] is a no-brainer if you can get it.

Good luck.

ALF71BE · Sep 15, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enable

about the assassin build u gave me

i have only save your self

and now i have 2 free slots
what ill put there?

[resurrection signet]

I'd reccommend more N/Rt | N/mo to do the healing tbh...

Tyla · Sep 15, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by fireflyry

Tyla's monk bars look great although personally I prefer exploiting the spammable heals/removal/mitigation Necros and N/Rits provide thanks to soul reaping.

I agree. Monk heroes are [email protected]

One you can use Necro heroes, I highly recommend Sab / Discordway.

Enable · Sep 15, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

ok thanks

wan ill get my necro hero i reply