Curse

Tyla · Oct 08, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

And even then, if you get someone smart enough to hit the Shield Bash button on Moebius Strike, or Golden Phoenix Strike an Assassin is completely screwed up. Keep in mind this kills 70% of an Assassins damage output, and things like Diversion, Distracting Shot and the likes do the same. Take out a part of their chain, and they're screwed up nearly completely.

My Lipgloss is Cool · Oct 09, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

i will always try to hit through guardian, because 50/50 is good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

at times taking a chance at guardian.

Do you listen to yourself talk, or does your godcomplex override that?

Wow! You made a build that can win semi-consistently in RA! You must be, like, the only one who has one of those!

But, instead of just being happy with your easy faction, or posting your amazing build on the RA thread, you have to make two threads on the Assassin forum, saying how awesome you, and you alone are?

Your builds worked in the situations that you posted, but to say, 'if i didnt have that exact build, we would have lost.' is more than a little pretentious.

You want to deal some damage and heal?; You want a Rit

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petrorabbit · Oct 09, 2008, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool

Do you listen to yourself talk, or does your godcomplex override that?

Wow! You made a build that can win semi-consistently in RA! You must be, like, the only one who has one of those!

But, instead of just being happy with your easy faction, or posting your amazing build on the RA thread, you have to make two threads on the Assassin forum, saying how awesome you, and you alone are?

Your builds worked in the situations that you posted, but to say, 'if i didnt have that exact build, we would have lost.' is more than a little pretentious.

You want to deal some damage and heal?; You want a Rit

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Winner!!!

Can we lock the thread now?

DarkGanni · Oct 09, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

feel free to lock it like the other one.

I'm gonna be honest and say if I was a mod I would close the thread with pleasure.

Back on topic: Your build is nothing special imo. A wasted effort....seriously.

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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool

You want to deal some damage and heal?; You want a Rit

I lol'd at that comment just because its sooooooooooooooooo true.

Master Ketsu · Oct 09, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

The build is actually fine ( as in average, not good ). It does enough to kill and can for the most part put a small damper on the massive amount of hexes. You don't need to remove everything, just that which causes it to no longer be worth it to attack.

...but the way the build is being used in that video leaves much to be desired. I see a sin run in to attack through spirits and end up not doing anything multiple times. Very bad. If you had paid more attention you could have spiked with the others on your team to guarantee a death instead of 3+ failed spikes. Lots of poor positioning. The fight against the doublemonks was the worst. the second moebius recharged your skills you should have switched to monk#2 instead of attacking through guardian. Read Darknecrids post to see why.

Turbobusa · Oct 09, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Stupid flame is stupid.
He did encounter a shield bash monk and did not went stupid enough to use a skill through.
Ho and GG diversion and D shot on a moebius sin. Just don't get moebius interrupted.

At least if you're flaming watch the videos and don't come here just to look cool.
Or ignore the thread and go "whatever I'm better than that lolz i'm so cool I would so pwn him with *insert stupid conditions you know you couldn't handle but appear leet to newbies et 12yo's* "
Or don't flame.

DarkNecrid · Oct 09, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Stupid flame is stupid.
He did encounter a shield bash monk and did not went stupid enough to use a skill through.
Ho and GG diversion and D shot on a moebius sin. Just don't get moebius interrupted.

At least if you're flaming watch the videos and don't come here just to look cool.
Or ignore the thread and go "whatever I'm better than that lolz i'm so cool I would so pwn him with *insert stupid conditions you know you couldn't handle but appear leet to newbies et 12yo's* "
Or don't flame.

I watched both videos, he attacked through Guardian and seemingly thinks it's useless when it's one of the most effective prots in the game and fails for attacking Monks with it on them, never swaps targets for pressure on the backline before spiking, and in general makes a ton of rather newbie mistakes that the guy above you outlined and then brags rather egotistically about how uber his builds are, when they are nothing special.

It's called criticism, and his videos are really bad.

X Cytherea X · Oct 09, 2008, 08:53 AM // 08:53

@necrid, what if the "priority target" is not a monk, but a VoR/Backfire mesmer like in vid1 match 3? would you switch away from him just because he got guardianed? go ahead, and watch your team evaporate.

@nornbear, see the ranger in vid2 match1, he got some interrupts in, but was still pwnt
@tyla, everyone knows that, but the damage potential still makes it worth running
@lipgloss and darkganni, rits are mediocre
@ketsu and turbobusa, thx for being objective

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let's just say i bring stuff to the table that are hugely beneficial to any ra team and fill a large portion of what it takes to win.
1. big, sustainable, damage that is available on demand
2. extra cleanup, because it is painfully obvious that what monks bring isnt enough these days
3. if i'm using my "Brutal Stampede" build, massive disruption (kd spam) as well

moriz · Oct 09, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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what if the "priority target" is not a monk, but a VoR/Backfire mesmer like in vid1 match 3? would you switch away from him just because he got guardianed? go ahead, and watch your team evaporate.

it's not like constantly attacking him will do any better. he's still going to cast through your attack, simply because you'll likely miss. you are much better off going after another target, potentially kill that target, and cause your team to take less pressure with VoR/backfire because your team don't have to use skills/spells as much with a target down.

of course, given your build, it's unlikely that you'll kill anything fast enough to make that difference anyways. i guess your sheer mediocrity cancels itself out, and cause you to accidentally make the right choice anyways.

Turbobusa · Oct 09, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

I watched both videos, he attacked through Guardian and seemingly thinks it's useless when it's one of the most effective prots in the game and fails for attacking Monks with it on them, never swaps targets for pressure on the backline before spiking, and in general makes a ton of rather newbie mistakes that the guy above you outlined and then brags rather egotistically about how uber his builds are, when they are nothing special.

It's called criticism, and his videos are really bad.

It wasn't directed to your post actually.
His videos are nothing special, but at the same time they aint bad. While you may have criticized in your posts, most of the other posters just used words against him: "you're bad, therefore your build is bad", while it isn't bad.

Sure there are mistakes, sure, he could improve on some point. Where does that give the right to people to jump on this and nearly insult him?
If he's arrogant, just don't bother and move one. See how he responds to people talking calmly in a pleasant way? He must not be that cocky I guess.
^that part isn't directed to you either lol

the savage nornbear · Oct 09, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

@nornbear, see the ranger in vid2 match1, he got some interrupts in, but was still pwnt

beating a fail ranger is not the same as beating a quality ranger. Even if he missed the d-shot on you lead, you can't get through stances, unless I misread your build. And any decent enough ranger would have conditioned you to draw out you mending touch, and then that would be gone for 20 seconds. So gg.

X Cytherea X · Oct 09, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

@moriz, that is correct from a warrior's pov, but my builds allow me to think positive and assume my attacks will connect and kill it.
@turbo, yeah dude
@nornbear, rangers are low on my priority list anyway

hurric · Oct 09, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

all of you who don't attack thru guardian are not brave enough.

Bobby2 · Oct 09, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Attacking through Guardian is just as noob as Frenzy/Heal Siging.

Depends. For general pressure play, it's true - but on coordinated spikes (which hardly ever occur in RA, btw) you're going to want to take the chance to get through for lethal.

Also, lrn2troll (you're way too obvious).

@ Cytherea: it's a nice thought to use Critical Strike's horrid energy gain for something else. Trouble is it leaves your chain very transparant/prone to shutdown, and you lack KDs/interrupts of your own. RA may very well the only place you could get away with a bar like that.

Also for all you people wanting to attack through Guardian no matter what:
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/...tering_Assault
or any of its variations.

DarkNecrid · Oct 09, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

@necrid, what if the "priority target" is not a monk, but a VoR/Backfire mesmer like in vid1 match 3? would you switch away from him just because he got guardianed? go ahead, and watch your team evaporate.

yes because making the monk run out of energy or close to it is more important than killing someone now, especially in RA where a Monk can make a match last a lot longer than it needs to be.

if you attack the VoR/backfire mesmer while he's guardianed, more than half your damage gets mitigated making the monk have an easier time to heal.

if your entire team is spiking him, go for it, but if your by yourself, no don't you dare, go switch targets to pressure that blue bar.

Bobby2 · Oct 09, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

switch targets to pressure that blue bar.

Thought it was worthy of highlighting. Seems like a new concept to some posters here.

snaek · Oct 09, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Thought it was worthy of highlighting. Seems like a new concept to some posters here.

yesh, that is a good concept

but tbh, thats teh prob in teh first place

if u want to pressure, there r much better options (and classes) available to u
i.e. war or derv or ranger...etc

and as mentioned by another poster,
if u want dmg + support...go rit or ele or nec...etc

imo sin is best making red bars drop past empty while blue bars r still full
(except for a few builds like shattering assault or scythe sins)
thru its use of quickness and shutdown
more than half of the good dagger sin bars contain either 1. ias or 2. kd/snare
(imo, the best sin bars contain both)

My Lipgloss is Cool · Oct 09, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

@lipgloss and darkganni, rits are mediocre

So is your build, but you run it anyways.

The rit is the opposite of what you have going here, but it's also the same. You have a bunch of decent damage, and a bit of support; the rit has a bunch of decent support, and a bit of damage. With the RA meta (RA meta = what ever is Great on PvX atm, and your generic joke players) the way it is (VoR mesmers, BBsins, WSdervs, devhamerwars, etc.), I'd much prefer the extra support over the extra damage.

Speaking of WSdervs, if you were to throw Imbue Health on one of those, they'd probably out damage and out support you.

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X Cytherea X · Oct 09, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

@necrid, i guess it will boil down to instinct considering multiple factors, ie primary target's current health, enemy monk pro or noob, my monk pro or noob, teammates pressuring enemy monk decently or not, or yeah will they help me gank, etc.

@snaek and bobby2, yeah im aware of its lack of disruption, thats what happens with bar compression, i had to fit in speed, hex/cond and res which leaves 4 attack slots. my other build has loads of disruption and is way cooler

@lipgloss, but i dont like playing rits and dervs

hhmnhmnmnk all your inputs have been considered

snaek · Oct 11, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

@snaek and bobby2, yeah im aware of its lack of disruption, thats what happens with bar compression, i had to fit in speed, hex/cond and res which leaves 4 attack slots. my other build has loads of disruption and is way cooler

@lipgloss, but i dont like playing rits and dervs

hhmnhmnmnk all your inputs have been considered

u dun like playin a rit?

u jus like to pretend to be one wit ur sin?

and ur bad skill bar is teh result of it
dun blame it on "bar compression"

ur tryin to do sumptin u shouldnt be
try runnin a real sin next time (or rit)