Curse

Burst Cancel · Nov 01, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Oh and tell me, were did you see crit defenses on mah bar? o____o

Get over yourself. I was replying to the thread in general, not to your post specifically. In reality, the critical scythe build is a well-known standard with very little variation: you pack broken PvE skills, critical skills, and scythe attacks. Nothing to see here, move along.

But sure, as for your build specifically, it lacks Malicious Strike; replace Dash with it.

The much lower recharge (3s vs. 8s) and far superior conditional (user is enchanted vs. target < 50% health) of WS outweigh the damage bonus on Reaper's, especially in light of AoHM and critical skills, which significantly raise base attack damage and make armor-ignoring bonuses a smaller percentage of the total.

Enchantment stripping is prevalent in EoTN and high-end areas (e.g., DoA). The problem with critscythe is that it really needs all of its enchantments to function well - losing any of AoHM, Agility, or WoTM significantly lowers your DPS, and none of these are low-recharge spells.

Super Igor · Nov 01, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

In reality, the critical scythe build is a well-known standard with very little variation: you pack broken PvE skills, critical skills, and scythe attacks. Nothing to see here, move along.

I know that, why are you telling it to me? o_____o

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But sure, as for your build specifically, it lacks Malicious Strike; replace Dash with it.

lolwut, explain.

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The much lower recharge (3s vs. 8s) and far superior conditional (user is enchanted vs. target < 50% health) of WS outweigh the damage bonus on Reaper's, especially in light of AoHM and critical skills, which significantly raise base attack damage and make armor-ignoring bonuses a smaller percentage of the total.

Yeah, but you still dont need ws on every crytscythe assuming you run several copies of em, also, +40 dmg is gid, and you get dw right when you need it, but yeah, WS is probably most imba derv skill nowadays.

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Enchantment stripping is prevalent in EoTN and high-end areas (e.g., DoA). The problem with critscythe is that it really needs all of its enchantments to function well - losing any of AoHM, Agility, or WoTM significantly lowers your DPS, and none of these are low-recharge spells.

ino ino, Assassin Promise is ur frend rite?! rite?! :O

Also thats why I like taking critical eye over wotm, gives enrgy and is unstrippable.

Miss H O T · Nov 01, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

why not crit eye?
and why does nobody consider zealous sweep? that skill basically deals badass damage! (41 with 12 scyth mastery) just explain to me why, im not saying all you are nubcakes, i'd sincerely like to know ^^
anyways, here's my standard bar, any comments?

Zealous Sweep
WS
Malicious
*edit* Asuran Scan

agility
crit eye
WotM
AoHM

cheers, HOT

Tyla · Nov 01, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Zealous Sweep only deals 22 extra damage; counting things like AoHM etc. don't forget about other skills. I also don't really see a point in Critical Eye when you already have an incredibly high crit rate and enough energy management; you're better off using Mystic Sweep. Oh, and same goes for Radiant Scythe too, didn't read it properly.

I'd go with this:

Wounding Strike
Malicious Strike
Mystic Sweep
Eremites' Attack / Resurrection Signet
Asuran Scan
Aura of Holy Might
Way of the Master
Critical Agility / Drunken Master (If I'm using consumables, Drunken Master comes into the equation)
Way of the Master
Way of the Master
Way of the Master
Way of the Master

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Fair enough, I'll put in 5 WotM's, it was nearing midnight okay??

Super Igor · Nov 01, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

double way of the master Tyla, gfg.

also why malicious strike, not for self healing rite?

Tyla · Nov 01, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

That's Drunken Master. Malicious Strike is for the insta-crit, and the spammable +damage. It's a great skill to use with Wounding Strike, because under some situations, you're not going to crit for 3 enemies.

Miss H O T · Nov 02, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

alright i'm sorry, i didn't mean zealous sweep(that'd be bullshit)
i meant radiant scythe. but what's weird... on the guildwiki site it's not under scythe mastery skills... although it does display it belongs to that group(cuz DOES have the skill in their system...) how weird is that? anyway, you could be right on crit eye, what i'm really talking about should be(after the revision of taking out crit eye):

radiant scythe
wounding strike
malicious strike
-------------chilling vict/crit def/farmer's scythe(anyone?)/eremite's attack

asuran scan(always)
agility
WotM
AoHM

opinions pollease!!

TheDarkshineKnight · Nov 02, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Zealous Sweep only deals 22 extra damage; counting things like AoHM etc. don't forget about other skills. I also don't really see a point in Critical Eye when you already have an incredibly high crit rate and enough energy management; you're better off using Mystic Sweep.

I'd go with this:

Wounding Strike
Malicious Strike
Mystic Sweep
Eremites' Attack / Resurrection Signet
Asuran Scan
Aura of Holy Might
Way of the Master
Critical Agility / Drunken Master (If I'm using consumables, Drunken Master comes into the equation)
Way of the Master

Heh, I posted the exact same build on the previous page, minus Resurrection Signet and Drunken Master. :P

Bobby2 · Nov 02, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Miss H O T

anyway, you could be right on crit eye, what i'm really talking about should be(after the revision of taking out crit eye):

I liek crit eye

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Originally Posted by Miss H O T

radiant scythe wat
wounding strike
malicious strike
-------------chilling vict ^%^%^recharge/crit def no/farmer's scythe(anyone?) no/eremite's attack yaay for mystic

asuran scan(always)
agility
WotM
AoHM

opinions pollease!!

Mr. Undisclosed · Nov 02, 2008, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Targren

Am I nuts or is putting yourself in a position for Eremite's attack to be good (i.e. being surrounded by baddies) is kind of counterproductive to the "The assassin is NOT A TANK" mindset?

Are you trying to say dervs are tanks?

Unreal Havoc · Nov 02, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by Tyla

That's Drunken Master. Malicious Strike is for the insta-crit, and the spammable +damage. It's a great skill to use with Wounding Strike, because under some situations, you're not going to crit for 3 enemies.

No, he meant you posted Way of the Master twice!

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1: Wounding Strike
2: Malicious Strike
3: Mystic Sweep
4:Eremites' Attack / Resurrection Signet
5:Asuran Scan
6: Aura of Holy Might
7: Way of the Master
8: Critical Agility / Drunken Master (If I'm using consumables, Drunken Master comes into the equation)
9: Way of the Master

Not only that but apparently we can take 9 skills in our bar now aswell. GG

Super Igor · Nov 02, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Not only that but apparently we can take 9 skills in our bar now aswell. GG

Woah, now thats strong.

Stealth Bomberman · Nov 02, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

MS/DB being armor ignoring makes it better suited for HM. Aura of Holy Might doesn't quite match up.

MS is definetly not armor ignoring/ DB is powerful but not armor ignoring. armor ingnoring=smiting/holy dmg. AoHM=armor ignoring/scythesins w/AoHM>MS/DB.

MS/DB has AoE potential. omg wait a sec.....chilling victory=AoE

snaek · Nov 02, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by stealth bomberman

MS is definetly not armor ignoring/ DB is powerful but not armor ignoring. armor ingnoring=smiting/holy dmg. AoHM=armor ignoring/scythesins w/AoHM>MS/DB.

all attack skills +dmg r armour-ignoring
holy dmg weapon attacks r not armour-ignoring

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Originally Posted by wiki

Holy damage as an attack damage type (either directly from a weapon or resulting from a buff such as Judge's Insight or Heart of Holy Flame) is not armor-ignoring, but simply non-physical, non-elemental damage which uses the normal damage calculations.

do ur homework

arturfel · Nov 02, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Sins with scythes are much better and fun than daggers sins, i posted an build with heros but iot disapear, i used to use this:

Reaping
Mystic Sweep
Eremites' Attack
Asuran Scan/ Im the Strongest
Aura of Holy Might
Critical Agility
Way of the Master
Death Charges

One smiter hero with smite15/16 cast Strenght of Honor and Judge Insight, and one ne/rt with chaneling 12 cast splinter weapon in the sin.

The big point here is Death Charges and the 3/4 seconds attck skill. When you death charge the mobs you get then grouped so the scythe multiples targets, the 3/4s attack skills and splinter weapon just blow the whole group.

ALWAYS bring the prot hench, it can hold your ass in the frontline. And always use caster heroes and hench, when you death charge you get all agroo for yourselve, since you are under prot u can hold everbody

Bobby2 · Nov 03, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

MS is definetly not armor ignoring/ DB is powerful but not armor ignoring. armor ingnoring=smiting/holy dmg. AoHM=armor ignoring/scythesins w/AoHM>MS/DB.

What snaek said. AoHM only effects damage level... which is what I meant by 'doesn't quite match up'.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomberman

MS/DB has AoE potential. omg wait a sec.....chilling victory=AoE

10 sec recharge and again, not armor ignoring.

Have you actually played HM?

Miss H O T · Nov 03, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

finalizing this thread:
i think we can all agree that the best A/D Asshacker build (disregarding any specialised enemies for which the build could be modded) is:

Radiant Scythe
Wounding Strike
Malicious Strike
Mystic Sweep
Asuran Scan
Critical Agility
Way of the Master
Aura of Holy Might

Turbobusa · Nov 03, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

minus radiant scythe, plus sins remedy/dash/shadow step, yeah

Miss H O T · Nov 03, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

radiant deals most damage, but i can see why u'd take it out, but ive got a zealous scythe, and i kinda never run out of energy, so it really works for me!

Bobby2 · Nov 04, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Miss H O T

radiant deals most damage, but i can see why u'd take it out, but ive got a zealous scythe, and i kinda never run out of energy, so it really works for me!

Crit Eye so you can wield a Vamp Scythe